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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 13:01 BST (UK) »
Looking at 1841 he was next door to a Victuller in Black Lion Court so again it could be his own shop, I guess rented rather than owned but he must have had some money behind him to start up a business.
so he could be here 1841 - 1847 when he turns up in Manchester

Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 13:27 BST (UK) »

This directory also has a John Wimbush, Chymist & Druggist in Manchester at 5 Ravald St, Butler St.

Whether this person could be a lead or not connected I don't know.

Kanskar

This John Wimbush, 30, "vendor of medcine"  and his wife Elizabeth, 27 (both born out of county) were living at St Andrews Street, Manchester in 1841

The only Wimbush families in Manchester at this time are Samuel and John's families.
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 13:50 BST (UK) »
Hi all

Just found this and have been playing around with it :)

In 1841 there is a James KNIGHT, 20, not born in county and an Isaac WIMBUSH, 17, Born in county working for Farmer Ann Mason in Leamington Hastings, Warwick

IGI has this extracted record
Isaac Wimbush s/o SAMUEL WIMBUSH and Frances
chr 12 SEP 1824   Marton, Warwick

(there is also a Mary born to this couple)


could Samuel have had another marriage prior to Betty Knight?

there is a marriage of Samuel WiNbush to Frances Watts in 1824 on IGI. I can't see a Frances WiNbush or WiMbush on the 1841.


iwill look further
 :-\
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 13:55 BST (UK) »
Hi all

Just found this and have been playing around with it :)

In 1841 there is a James KNIGHT, 20, not born in county and an Isaac WIMBUSH, 17, Born in county working for Farmer Ann Mason in Leamington Hastings, Warwick

IGI has this extracted record
Isaac Wimbush s/o SAMUEL WIMBUSH and Frances
chr 12 SEP 1824   Marton, Warwick

(there is also a Mary born to this couple)


could Samuel have had another marriage prior to Betty Knight?

there is a marriage of Samuel WiNbush to Frances Watts in 1824 on IGI. I can't see a Frances WiNbush or WiMbush on the 1841.


iwill look further
 :-\

i saw this earlier

http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/bmd/Leamington_all_saints_marriages_1813-36.html

probably relevant to the one you mention  :)
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 14:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Toni  :)

yep ...looks like the same one....

I was interested in the fact that Isaac Wimbush was with a KNIGHT as that was Betty's maiden name. Betty had Martin at about 31 ...so she was quite 'old' when 'marrying' Samuel. Wish we could find that marriage.

deb

added  Isaac is easy to follow ... unfortunately he doesn't become a butcher! ::)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 14:12 BST (UK) »
Quote from: kanskar
This directory also has a John Wimbush, Chymist & Druggist in Manchester at 5 Ravald St, Butler St.
This is the son of John Wimbush and Mary Gardner. He married Elizabeth Eaton 27 Jun 1836 Manchester Cathedral. I believe this John to have been born c1806 in Byfield, Northamptonshire. I don't have any siblings for him but I do have an Elizabeth born Byfield c1796 and George c1816, no parents for either as yet.

I wonder if that's a coincidence that John went from Byfield to Manchester?
I wonder if Northampton said with an accent could sound like Wolverhampton - Norfampton/Norvampton -> Wolv'ampton or if a scrawly or badly written "Nort" can look like "Wolv". To me it has the same sort of shape. I can see "No" and "Wo" easily confused, the upper stroke of the "t" and the "l"...

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Edit He had formerly been in Swansea
That is very interesting. Fanny Ann (b1853) and Mary Ann Sarah (b1855) daughters of "John Wimbush, a master grocer" died in Swansea in 1858.
John Neal (son of Benjamin Wimbush and Hannah Neal) married Sarah Ann Butcher 1849 Q1 Buckingham RD and the children I have for them are Henry Alexander 1850; Leoni Nelson Neal 1851; John Butcher 1859; Frederick William Richard 1862; Ambrose Durrant 1865 - with a big gap between 1851 and 1859...

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In reply 2 - he's my other "alien"
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3. Another "alien"! I hadn't realised or made any hint of a connection here until right this minute. I don't have any baptism or census entries or even a death, but I do have 2 marriages and 4 children.
m. 22 Jan 1824 to France Watts in Leamington Hastings (2 children Isaac 1824 and Mary 1826) then m. 24 Oct 1827 to Mary Wes(t)ley (2 children Sophia 1828 and John 1830). Burial for Mary 11 Sep 1831 Wappenbury, no death found for Frances.
In 1841 Isaac is a farm servant in Leamington Hastings, Mary - not found, Sophia is in Eathorpe with an elderly Parker couple, John also in Eathorpe (next door) with the Heritage family at the Plough Inn. No sign of their father Samuel. No deaths for a Samuel until 1854 in Barnet (father of Samuel 1 in this post) and 1859 Manchester (the Samuel we are looking for in Manchester/Wolverhampton).
It's less than 5 miles from Wappenbury to Leamington Hastings via Eathorpe and Marton.

I wonder if Samuel 3 and Samuel 0 are one and same? Is it possible he left Wappenbury after his 2nd (?) wife died in 1831 and headed for Manchester? And if he might be and if he was born in Wolverhampton what was he doing in the Wappenbury area? Of course they could just be two totally separate people.

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I think it's probable that the Samuel we are looking for is either Samuel who married Frances Watts and Mary Westley or possibly related (brother?) to John from Byfield who moved to Manchester, or even that all this is one person.

OK going to post a look up request on Northampton board (will link it to here) for John Wimbush (son of John and Mary) and ask if there is a Samuel in a similar time frame.
Edit: posted request here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=465342
WIMBUSH - Everywhere :: MARLOW/JECOCK/JUSTICE - Northamptonshire/Warwickshire/Oxfordshire :: SCALES/BRIDGES/ENGLISH/SPINK/PETCH/GOOCH/COCKSEDGE - Suffolk :: GARRETT/GIBBS/FEARN - Warwickshire :: DEVOS - Scotland (Aberdeen)/France(Dunkerque) :: MURRAY - Ireland(Down)/Scotland(Lochs) :: TIGHE/TREACY - Cork

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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 14:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Justkia

Sorry about that ...I should have read your posts again in order not to replicate your findings ..ie Isaac Winbush.

I just liked the thought of a Wimbush and a Knight being together ...I was thinkinking/hoping/wishing that James Knight introduced Betty to the Wimbush family  ;D ;D ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 14:36 BST (UK) »
Aww that would be lovely, if it were true.
I feel stupid that I hadn't noticed James Knight in the same household as Isaac before. I sort of got as far as the head of house and skimmed the other servants.
WIMBUSH - Everywhere :: MARLOW/JECOCK/JUSTICE - Northamptonshire/Warwickshire/Oxfordshire :: SCALES/BRIDGES/ENGLISH/SPINK/PETCH/GOOCH/COCKSEDGE - Suffolk :: GARRETT/GIBBS/FEARN - Warwickshire :: DEVOS - Scotland (Aberdeen)/France(Dunkerque) :: MURRAY - Ireland(Down)/Scotland(Lochs) :: TIGHE/TREACY - Cork

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 30 June 10 14:40 BST (UK) »
May I suggest please that you look on FreeReg for Wimbush baptisms in Byfield 1804 +/- 5 yrs.
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Rodway London 19-20c
Kirk London/Brum/Coventry/London 19c
Blower Warwicks 19c
Syrett/Brewer/Cranwell London 19c
Punter Herts/London 19c
Whitrow/Hutchings/Leeworthy/Goldsworthy/May - Devon 19-20c

Stoodley Dorset/Hants/Wilts 18-20c
Cooper/Clark Broughton, Hants 18c
Moody - East Dean/Sherfield English Hants 18/19c
White  Aspull/Wigan, Lancs 19-20c
West/Angel/Johnson/Clark  S. Wilts 19-20c
Edwards  Wardour/Ansty, Wilts 19c