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[Just Kia]

I have looked on the bmdregisters site - very little for Wimbush/Winbush, there are a few hits although nothing for Samuel.

As for where he learnt butchery, it's my guess he must either have done an apprenticeship or that a family member (his father/uncle) must have been a butcher, but I haven't found any records of such an apprenticeship - that's not to say there isn't, I might not have been looking in the right places. Same with the tax and electoral rolls.

I hadn't thought about who owned the house he lived in or the shop. Where would I look to find the manorial records?

[toni*]

A travelling family i.e. canal boats would explain why he set up home in Bettys parish rather than the usual (I use usual loosely) to set up home in his home parish but this doesn’t tell us where he learnt his trade.  It was ‘normal’ practice when applying a trade to have a 7 year apprencticeship / indenture beforehand so if he was practicing butchering (not an apprentice) in 1838 it would be expected that he was practicing butchering at least 7 years prior to this you need to look it eh trade directories to see if there are any Wimbush butchers – of course he could be butchering for someone as an employee rather than himself but he might not be too.

Manorial records would be held at the local record office, which manor would it be under?

have you seenthe canalboat / traveller website (sorry i dont know the link)

[jaywit]

Something crossed my mind.
 In the 1830's/1840's Manchester ( Salford wasn't a borough until 1844) was growing rapidly.http://www.localhistories.org/manchester.html
Now all those mill workers wanted meat to eat and there would be a demand for butchers.
Now at the bottom end of the market would it be a prerequisite that a man who turned up and who could maybe slaughter and roughly butcher animals would have had to show he had served an apprenticeship? Or would the employer perhaps give him a practical test and say you will do.
The reason I am saying this is that the Cropredy branch of the family were recorded as Calf Dealers, so maybe they had some rudimentary knowledge of butchery.
I checked directories yesterday and couldn't find anything.

[toni*]

i did wonder if he was a journeyman butcher i.e someone who just applied his trade but i did also think that he would have to have been butchering for a while to set up in a shop / house.
I havent checked if heas a butcher in 1851
And JustKia didn’t say if he was a butcher on the childs birth cert

[jaywit]

1851 doesn't give employer/employee but looking at the census he was living at 109 LongMillgate, a baker on one side and a pub on the other so it does look like it could have been his own business.
 Mind you that is at least 14 years after he shows up in Manchester and if he did come from a family who worked for themselves that was enough time for him to set up on his own.

[jaywit]

Looking at 1841 he was next door to a Victuller in Black Lion Court so again it could be his own shop, I guess rented rather than owned but he must have had some money behind him to start up a business.

[kanskar]

Samuel appears in the following directories:

1853 Whellans & Co - Manchester & Salford - Pork Butcher, 109 Long Millgate

1850 Slaters - Manchester - Pork Butcher, 109 Long Milgate

1847 Slaters - Manchester - Butcher, 109 Long Milgate

This directory also has a John Wimbush, Chymist & Druggist in Manchester at 5 Ravald St, Butler St.

Whether this person could be a lead or not connected I don't know.

Kanskar

[alpinecottage]

I was having a look in Manchester Times for the 1835-1865 period.  Nothing for Samuel, but I see thera was J N Wimbush a grocer of Birmingham who went bankrupt in 1862.

Just wonder if this is a relative, Birmingham not being too far from Wolverhampton or even if it was the same person as John Wimbush that Kanskar found.

[alpinecottage]

J N Wimbush was John Neal Wimbush, "generally known as John Neal" according to the London Gazette of 16 May 1862.

Edit He had formerly been in Swansea