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[kanskar]

Deb - I don't think that we know yet that Sophia was the shoemaker's daughter - we'd need to see her marriage cert.

[deb usa]

From Just Kia's (reply 2)

3. Another "alien"! I hadn't realised or made any hint of a connection here until right this minute. I don't have any baptism or census entries or even a death, but I do have 2 marriages and 4 children.
m. 22 Jan 1824 to France Watts in Leamington Hastings (2 children Isaac 1824 and Mary 1826) then m. 24 Oct 1827 to Mary Wes(t)ley (2 children Sophia 1828 and John 1830). Burial for Mary 11 Sep 1831 Wappenbury, no death found for Frances.
In 1841 Isaac is a farm servant in Leamington Hastings, Mary - not found, Sophia is in Eathorpe with an elderly Parker couple, John also in Eathorpe (next door) with the Heritage family at the Plough Inn. No sign of their father Samuel. No deaths for a Samuel until 1854 in Barnet (father of Samuel 1 in this post) and 1859 Manchester (the Samuel we are looking for in Manchester/Wolverhampton).
It's less than 5 miles from Wappenbury to Leamington Hastings via Eathorpe and Marton.

There is a marriage for Sophia Wimbush -  Dec 1849 Qtr Warwick Reg Dist - 16-911 - Groom is John Daniel. They are still together on the 1881 census as Daniels.

kanskar

I read to quickly ...apologies

[deb usa]

Kanskar I notice in 1861 John and Sophia are living next door to the pub in Eathorpe and John Daniel(s) was a shoemaker with Sophia being a shoe binder. The father of Byfield Samuel was also a shoemaker, keeping the trade in the family?

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Kanskar ..also the above

[jaywit]

Thanks for the marriage there, Kanskar
Big Thank You to jaywit, deb usa, toni*, kanskar, alpinecottage, Sue and Sandy, and of course to anyone who took the time to look even if you didn't post here.

Just to tie up Samuel's lose ends and rule out bigamy has anyone seen a death for wife 1 - Frances? Samuel married her 22 Jan 1824 with the 2nd child born mid 1826 and then the marriage to wife 2 - Mary was 24 Oct 1827, so hopefully there's a death/burial for Frances between 1826-1827. The icing on the cake would be a marriage to Betty, but I'm pretty sure there isn't one - maybe Samuel felt that marrying was some sort of jinx with his two earlier wives having died shortly afterwards? I presume that if he was free to marry wife 2, and wife 2 died he would have been free to marry again.

I think you have got to go through PR's carefully to look for the death of Frances. The two obvious ones are Wappenbury and Marton but I would also look at Leamington Hastings.

 Samuel and Frances married in Leamington, did Frances have family there? Did she go and stay with family and die in Leamington?

I can't think of any other place she may have been buried.

It does look as though Samuel was free to marry Betty but was Betty free to marry him?

She wasn't a spring chicken when she got together with Samuel, I think chances are he was the father of Martin and I know it says she was a single woman on Martin's baptism but at that point was Samuel prepared to commit to a permanent relationship or did the vicar ask her about a husband and she said no I'm not married.
Very difficult to work that one out but hopefully with a bit more work you will at least find Frances's burial.

[Just Kia]

I haven't got a Samuel occ shoemaker - Samuel's father, John (m Sophia Short), was a shoemaker and Samuel's daughter, Sophia (m John Daniels) was a shoe binder.

Frances definitely had family in Leamington Hastings. You may be right in that she returned there due to illness or maybe her family had her taken back there to be buried after she died. I didn't find a burial in Marton or Wappenbury in the time frame.

The RO is closed next week, but I'll have another look for Frances' burial when they open and also the marriages of Sophia and Isaac to see what they gave as their father's occupation.

Interesting thought that Betty may have been the one who wasn't free to marry, although I'm not sure why as (I'm pretty sure that) she hadn't married before. And I too suspect that Samuel was the father of Martin. That said "Martin Nathan" was a family name in the Knight family - Betty had an uncle called Martin Nathan and another uncle of hers, Peter, called one of his son's Martin Nathan.

[Tephra]

It's time for this weeks Scavenger Hunt and here it is.   Please read carefully before you start.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,466548.0.html

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