Abraham Moses / Morris Marks and Family

[Leofwine]

Egg on Face time for me now!

I finally got Rosalie's birth certificate, and now have her father as Morris Marks and mother as Jane Adelaide Alice Marks (nee Penny), so the Abraham Moses Marks I had was wrong.

Not sure if I should leave this thread running, or start a new one with the right name in the subject?

But even with the wrong name this thread has given me much useful information, so thanks for that all who have contributed suggestions.

And I wonder if he was actually Abraham Morris Marks?   Or is the Abraham M Marks with daughter Rosalie Dorothy likely to be a different Rosalie?  Seems an unusual name to have 2 born at the same time in the same place, but maybe I'm wrong.

[jorose]

We can certainly continue on this thread as it has quite a bit of info about Rosalie on it.

freebmd shows the marriage as in 1886: Morris Marks, and Jane Alice A. Penny
Also interesting: Rosalie's remarriage in 1926 to Pierre R Vallotton : might this be him?
http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/burials/DetailsD.asp?ID=278485

Jane Alice Adelaide Penny was b. 1864 Wednesbury  (she is in 1881 mis-transcribed as "Jesse A. A. Penney").
There is some info on the Penny family here: http://www.inch.com/~penney/gene/pages/heytesbury.htm

What was the occupation of "Morris" on Rosalie's birth certificate?
The family may well have ben changing names around etc.

[Leofwine]

I hadn't found the re-marriage, I will have to follow that up!  Thanks for that.

Morris is shown as 'Journeyman Tailor' on Rosalie's birth certificate.

[Leofwine]

Looking at the Rosalie Dorothy marriage to Pierre Rene Vallotton (b. 1904) I wonder if it was in fact her Daughter (also named Rosalie Dorothy b. 1908) getting married. Of course from what I've heard of her from my mother (now dead so I can't ask her for more info) I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up marrying someone nearly 20 years her junior! *LOL*

[Leofwine]

I've finally got the marriage certificate for Rosalie Dorothy and Pierre Vollaton. It is the elder Rosalie (Morris' Daughter) who ended up marrying the man 17 years her junior (and she still outlived him by 4 years!)

I also got the birth certificate for Kathleen Marks who was William Edward Vaughan Lewis' adopted daughter in the 1911 census. She was Rosalie's natural daughter. The birth certificate does not list a father, but it does list Rosalie Dorothy as a "Shop Assistant (Fancy Goods) of 32 Arlington Road, St Pancras"   Does anyone happen to have a Kelley's directory or similar  of around 1905 that identifies the shop at this address?

[myheartexposed]

"Grandpa Lewis" (William Edward Vaughn Lewis) died during my lifetime

Family tradition says that my great grandfather (W.E.V. Lewis) was a surgeon at Sheffield Hospital caused a major scandal when he married a Jewess who was also a Tiller Girl (or might have been a Windmill girl).  Apparently this, or some other scandal associated with his wife, caused him to lose his job.  I don't know much about him after that other than he ended up back in Kent at the end of his life.

I notice that in the 1911 Census William & Rosalie Lewis have been married 3 years, but have an an adopted daughter called Kathleen Marks - I cant help wondering if, given Rosalie's 'wild' reputation this may in fact be her daughter, born out of wedlock.  Certainly that would have been cause for scandal in the Edwardian medical world!

I am really hoping this is the same "William Edward Vaughan Lewis" so this is what I have so far :

1901 Lewis, William Edward Vaughan, 157, Burbury-strect, Lozclls,
Birmingham.
taken from the full text of Fellows & Members
LICENTIATES
ROYAL COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS OY LONDON,
HOLDERS OF THE DIPLOMA IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
GRANTED CONJOINTLY BY THE
ROYAL COLLEGES OF PHYSICIANS AND SORGEONS.

1908 William Edward Vaughan Lewis marries Rosalie Dorothy Marks
(national archives)

1911 Census William and Rosalie married three years
adopted daughter Kathleen Marks (Rosalie's daughter born out of wedlock 1908)

1924 Divorced Rosalie
(national archives)

5th November 1926
living at 2 Kingswood Road, Gillingham, Kent
appointed physician surgeon to the Invicta Medical Benefit Society, 2A Kingswood Road, Gillingham, Kent (next door)
Rochester, Chatham, Gillingham News page 15 attends the unveiling of the Invicta Medical Benefit Society's Foundation Stone for their new premises at 2A Kingswood Road
(Medway City Archives manual search)

September 28th 1935
announcement in the Supplement to the British Medical Journal page 152
"Medical Register" "Untraceable Practitioners" Correction of the Medical Register

1936 restored to the Medical Register

1939 election register 2 Kingswood Road, Gillingham, Kent (R) resident (O) occupation
(Medway City Archives manual search)

1948 Kelley's Directory Invicta Medical Benefit Society, 2A Kingswood Road, Gillingham, Kent
(Medway City Archives manual search)

1959 Kelley's Directory : 2 Kingswood Road, Gillingham Kent physician surgeon
(Medway City Archives manual search)

1964 Kelley's Directory : 2 Kingswood Road, Gillingham Kent physician surgeon
(Medway City Archives manual search)

I am not a relation to W.E.V. Lewis at all, I am attempting to trace the original Physicians who ran the Invicta Medical Benefit Society in Gillingham, Kent from 1926 onwards. All the info here has been discovered this week, there is more information on him at the Medway Archives but I ran out of time so will be going back to do more copying of microfilm when they re-open in two weeks.

Would be very interested to know more about this man, this thread has been so interesting so far thank you

[Leofwine]

There is some interesting information there I did not know. I can add a little more about him:

He was born about March 1875 in or near Stourbridge, Worcestershire.

I cannot find him, or his mother and sisters in the 1881 census, though his father is listed as a married man, but at his own father's address, 11 Wood Street, Woollaston, Stourbridge. Some information I have suggests that his mother may have been born in Zurich, Switzerland, so I wonder if they were out of the contry at that time? (This is pure supposition, but may account for their apparent absence in that census)

In the 1891 census he is living at 11 Wood Street, Woollaston, Stourbridge with his grandfather, parents, sister and cousin and his occupation is listed as Scholar.

In the 1901 census he is living at 9 Chattaway Street, Ashton, Birmingham with his sister and parents and his occupation is listed as Medical Student. (Given the 1901 information above, I assume he must have been in his final year at the time the census was taken.)

Speaking to my father, he told me that William was a doctor in Gillingham until the very late 1950s (although he could not remember the addreess, he thought it was somewhere near Gillingham Station), so this ties in with the information above. However, William retired to Woodchurch, near Tenterden in Kent in about 1959/60 (my father took my mother (William's grand-daughter) down there to try and patch up the family rift (unsucessfully) in about 1960/61, a year or so after he retired there) so he was no longer practising in Gillingham by that date. (I know from my own experiences that Kelly's were not always quick to update details of regular entries, so the 1964 entry may have just been using out of date information, or it may be that he had retired from practice, but still had a connection to the business.)

I hope this is of some help.

As a foot note, there is a strange connection here as my father's grandparents also lived for a while in Kingswood Road, Gillingham before moving to Suffolk just before the first world war.