South Australia Immigration: Thomas James MESSENGER

[Neil Todd]

Nomer,
Please keep me informed how you get on, as you will see from my surname interests MESSENGER is of one.

Neil

[krisesjoint]

William MESSENGER = Mary EDGINGTON 19 June 1837  Over (Upper) Winchendon, Buckingham. (also in the Aylesbury area)

BTW Jesse is married to a Bucks girl and in London area by 1851 also.

Cheers Kris  

[Nomer]

Hello again -

I have been in touch with the Buckinghamshire Family History Society and got birth, death and marriage records for Messengers for the time period I am interested in (if anyone else is interested in Bucks. Messenger family let me know).

I have identified two potential Thomas' for my family tree:

1.  Thomas Messenger, b. 19 Sep 1830 [son of Francis and Martha Messenger of Hucott)
2.  Thomas James Messenger, b. 6 Jan 1828  [son of James and Phebe Messenger of Long Crendon)

No. 1 is the best match for age, going on his being 79 when he died in Feb 1910.  His family also matches given there is a brother named Jesse, and Thomas James had a son called Jesse. 

No. 2 is the best match for name, but I haven't been able to find any more information on James and Phebe Messenger of Long Crendon to see if there is any other information to help make a decision.  (I've tried the census reports with no luck, yet if he immigrated in 1848 he should be there somewhere)

Does anyone have any suggestions on where I could go from here?

Thanks again for your help and ideas

Nomer

[crow41]

 Thomas James Messenger b 11 Aug 1831 is the son of William Messenger  and Mary Henley of Aylesbury Bucks.
Thomas as you know came to SA on the "David Malcolm" 1848.
On 1st March 1851 he married Amy Mills in Holy Trinity Adelaide.
Amy born7 Dec 1833, Ashford Kent. and came to SA on "Resource" 1839.
They had 13 Children - William 1854, George 1855, John 1858, Jesse 1860, Matilda 1860, Alice 1863 (our family point), Thomas 1865, Ada Eva 1867, Eva 1867 Otwin), Albert 1869, Emily 1872, Amy 1874, Alfred 1877.
Thomas James died 22 Feb 1910, Alberton
Amy died 21 April 1913 Queenstown
Alice married William Thomas Shaw

Hope this helps,

Barry

[Nomer]

Hi Barry -

Have you been able to find any sources that confirm Thomas was the son of William Messenger and Mary Henley, outside of the BISA?  I've been having great difficulty trying to do this. My family link is through Jesse Messenger.

Cheers
Nomer

[Neil Todd]

Hi any of your group know of a "Jane Messenger" c1846. She was my Maternal GGrandmother. Married a Charles Masters and lived Sydney.
We have not been able to track her family back.

Regards
Neil

[afredwm]

Hi Barry

I have been searching for information on George Messenger for a while now. I have a George Messenger born about 1856 from SA who married a Jane Messenger and ended up living in Brookton WA.
I had come across Thomas and Amy Messenger, but could not find any information on their Children. You have now given me another lead to follow
You would not have any more detailed info on George would you

Thanks
David

[crow41]

david hope this helps,
George Messenger son of Thomas James Messenger and Amy Mills b27 Dec 1855 Enfield South Aust. d west Aust.
Married Jane Barty b 1858 on 22nd April 1878 at Kent Town South Aust.
Children;
Frederick George Messenger b 24 April 1879 Pt Adelaide
Ernest John Messenger b 9 Oct 1881 Rosewater South Aust.
Ann Minnie Watson Messenger b 15 April 1884 Pt Adelaide - d 19 Dec 1898 Payneham SA
Elsie May Messenger b19 July 1886 Pt Augusta South Aust
Herbet Charles Messenger b 12 Jan 1889 Pt Adelaide
Evelyn Annie Messenger b 23 May 1891 Woodville South Aust
Linda Jane Messenger b 13 Oct 1893 Pt Adelaide - d 1971 Numbleyong West Aust - Married Albert Bairstow.
Edith Alice Messenger b 30 May 1895 Queenstown South Aust.
Edgar Morris Messenger b 17 Jan 1905 Norwood South Aust
West Aust BDM on line may give more info on those that went to WA
Barry

[Nomer]

I can give a bit more information on George Messenger & Jane Barty’s children: 

̵  Frederick George Messenger b 24 April 1879 Pt Adelaide, d 25 Oct 1964, Wooroloo Western Australia, buried Karrakatta Cemetery
̵  Ernest John Messenger b 9 Oct 1881 Rosewater South Aust., d 10 Dec 1963 (Palmyra Western Australia), buried Fremantle Cemetery; m Ada Susan Denney in 1918 (WA)
̵   Ann Minnie Watson Messenger b 15 April 1884 Pt Adelaide - d 19 Dec 1898 Payneham SA
̵  Elsie May Messenger b19 July 1886 Pt Augusta South Aust, m Robert Francis Bartlett 1905 (Brookton, Western Australia)
̵  Herbert Charles Messenger b 12 Jan 1889 Pt Adelaide, m Maud Grace Toop 1924 (Fremantle, Western Australia) d 21 Dec 1974 (Hilton Park, Western Australia).
̵  Evelyn Annie Messenger b 23 May 1891 Woodville South Aust, m John Charles Percival Price 1911 (Western Australia), d 23 Jan 1931 (Victoria Park, Western Australia)
̵   Linda Jane Messenger b 13 Oct 1893 Pt Adelaide, m Albert William Bairstow 02 Sep 1914 (Dumbleyung, Western Australia)
̵  Edith Alice Messenger b 30 May 1895 (Queenstown South Aust), d 1902 (Western Australia)
̵  Jane Barty Messenger, b 1898 (Boulder, Western Australia)
̵  Florence Winifred Messenger, b 1902 (Trafalgar, Western Australia), m Thomas Leo Pike, 1924 (Beverley, Western Australia), d 28 Jun 1990 (Mosman Park, Western Australia), buried Karrakatta Cemetery
̵   Edgar Morris Messenger, b 17 Jan 1905 (Norwood South Aust), d 08 Sep 1968 (Nedlands, Western Australia), buried Karrakatta Cemetery

If you are interested in info on George Messenger’s ancestors or siblings let me know