Norfolk families heading for Yorkshire - anyone?

[Vicwinann]

Luzzu; many of our ancestors had to migrate to stay alive in the 19th century.

Very true, but Settlement certificates and the like were still needed for internal English movements. The various Scouts who recruited workers for the mines, docks, and factories in the North, (from all over the country, but particularly, Norfolk), arranged all that. Also the mine, dock, and factory owners iften paid for the move, and the worker had to pay back those expenses. If he died before he paid it back, his family had to pay the debt somehow.
Often such workers were paid in tokens, hence the beginnings of the Truck Acts to prevent owners from only allowing workers to use the company shop with said tokens.
In fact, one point of view is that migrant workers were not much better off for moving, although this is a big generalisation.

My Dacks went first to Newcastle, and then down from there to London.
Vicwinnan

[Redroger]

I would agree they were often not better off, but I think my comment still stands, i.e. they had to migrate to stay alive.It was that or often the workhouse.

[bitmad]

Very interesting thread.  I hadn't realised just how much people were moving about the country. 

My great granddad, George Tuttle from Heathersett, moved from Lowestoft to Hartlepool in 1870s; wife Sarah Ann and baby William went with him.  He was a bricklayer and Hartlepool was undergoing an expansion.  He then returned back to Lowestoft after about 10 yrs. William became a brickie as well, another son John became a blacksmith labourer (in Yorkshire) and my granddad James went on the trawlers at Hull.  His father Edmund Tuttle was farm labourer though and his mum Elizabeth, died 86yrs in Union Work House, Swainsthorpe, Norfolk.

Regards
Anne

[Redroger]

Migration around the country has gone on for a very long time, my Luffman family (surname peculiar to southwest England) appeared in Lincolnshire in the 1790s due to the government policy of deploying militia units in different parts of the country. I suppose this and other migrations helped to mitigate the effects of inbreeding which was rampant in rural villages and probably elsewhere too.

[bendywendy]

My family of HALL from Reepham, Hackford, Foulsham, Guestwick, Plumstead, to Holme Upon Spalding Moor, East Yorks. Robert Hall 1847 Hackford, son of Thomas Hall & Dorothy Mary Ann Juby.  Farming families all way down the generations. Some other Hall from this family went to Durham area, mining. Dorothy Mary Ann Juby/Hall, Widow, went on to marry John English 1863 Reepham, members of his family and the Stearman's that married into his, also went to Durham area, mining.
My HALL line...
Thomas Hall  of Guestwick  - nothing found for bap/marriage/death .. wife Elizabeth
Thomas Hall  of Plumstead  m  Jane Olly/Otty/Ottway  1770 Plumstead
Thomas Hall  of Guestwick m Mary Taylor of Felthorpe  (dau of John Taylor & Anna Maria Howlett) 1812 Guestwick
Thomas Hall of Foulsham  m Dorothy Mary Ann Juby of Billingsford (dau of Henry Juby) 1838 Hackford
Robert Hall of Hackford  m  Ellen St Paul of Gilberdyke, E. Yorks 1868 Holme Upon Spalding Moor, E. Yorks
 If anyone has any info relating to any of these, please contact me.

If anyone has access to the Parish Registers for Guestwick, Plumstead, Foulsham, I really do need help please, as these have not been transcribed as yet and I live in E. Yorks, so a long way to travel to look at them.

bendywendy

[Historycat]

Foulsham and Plumstead are on family search pilot site

https://www.familysearch.org

I have a feeling that there was an agricultural depression during the latter part of the 18th and early part of 19th centuries which coupled with the expansion of industrialisation led to a migration from East Anglia to the northern counties.  I have a number of my Norwich families doing exactly the same thing!

[bendywendy]

thank you for that info, having a looksie now..
b

[Redroger]

I have a feeling that there was an agricultural depression during the latter part of the 18th and early part of 19th centuries which coupled with the expansion of industrialisation led to a migration from East Anglia to the northern counties.  I have a number of my Norwich families doing exactly the same thing!

Problems were due to the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars. The big agricultural depression and mass migration due to the repeal of the Corn Laws took place in the latter part of the 19th century.

[Vicwinann]

Hi,
During the 19th century, many things influenced the mass movement of people, but from a family point of view, it was mainly hunger and starvation.
An inability to be able to earn a living in rural areas, due to the introduction of machinery and new methods of working; the results of disenfrancisation from the land due to the Enclosure Acts; various Wars; disease outbreaks; failed harvests; and the Repeal of the Corn Laws, all played their part in creating more than one agricultural depression.
There was not just one single reason.
Vicwinann