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Re: Coat of Arms?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 May 10 17:03 BST (UK) »
This link, giving an explanation of the Brant name, may be of interest


http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=brant
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 May 10 17:19 BST (UK) »
Even if it does appears that you do have a crest don't take it at face value. There are a few odd bits of Georgian silver in my OH's family with what appears to be the family crest on them. It turns out the family have no entitlement to them and just "borrowed" them - much as someone has a set of placemats with "their" coat of arms on them today.

BTW - you can really upset your new in laws by pointing this out to them  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 May 10 18:09 BST (UK) »
lol @ Carole...I know nothing about Coat of Arms of what the stood for until I wrote this thread. And you all have helped me kind of understand how and why peple got them.

I would like to think the Brants had one as do we all...I will keep digging and see what I can find.

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« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 May 10 14:39 BST (UK) »
Even if it does appears that you do have a crest don't take it at face value.

I suppose the classic case is Sophie Rhys Jones - when she married Prince Edward, it was discovered that her father's coat of arms turned out not to be registered at the College of Arms.
ESSEX Bonnett Burrows Clow (or Clough) Crampin Cressell Deacon Everett Heckford Humphries Missen Midson Pask Richmond Redgewell Tansley Tyler Whiting Wisby
SUFFOLK Brett Byford Chapman Churchyard Clow Coe Dearsley/Derisly Dous Hawes Mutimer Nunn Ransome Raw/Rolllinson Smith (Haverhill) Stollery Stringer Wallis Nunn NOTTS Hook Mills Pollicott
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Re: Coat of Arms?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 17 June 10 13:56 BST (UK) »
Burke's General armory does list an entry for the surname Brant.  However, it is at the "unreliable" end of the entries since it just lists the surname and the blazon.  There is no geographical or genealogical information to support it. 

Reitstap does list a number of entries but they are either from Poland or the Low Countries.

Surprisingly, to me at least, that the Burke's entry is not used by the various heraldry bucket shops.  They seem to prefer either a Polish set of Arms or one I have not yet identified.  It could well be one of the many variations of spelling - Brant, Brandt, Brent etc.
Plowman - Dorset
Gollop - Dorset
Taunton - Dorset
Carver - Norfolk
Oyns - all
Tweedy - all
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 17 June 10 22:17 BST (UK) »
You also need to be aware that Burke's published coats of arms without verifying them and so contains numerous arms which were adopted without any entitlement rather than granted.


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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 17:05 BST (UK) »
Reading the 'Coats of Arms' topic, I was very pleased to note that a warning on obtaining these ARMS and Associations was made quite clear where outlay for same is expected.  When our Daughter died leaving a young Son behind, we looked into buying a named 'Star' for him but, checked with the Astonomical - Society first who made it clear we were not buying etc., the Stars are Registered with them and have designated numbers applying which cannot be purchased/renamed etc. The Commercial aspect is quite misleading and should be ignored! So, we look to All the Stars and see her there in any one we choose for ourselves now and are very happy with that!  I have added a Caveat to all my Family-Tree profilings to say that any Heraldic-Device seen is to explain Emblazoning as such alone and, never to be taken as 'OURS', my Family are very happy to note this point. Your Boards are valued for such information, keep it coming please!

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 02 December 10 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Cautionary update on those 'Coats of Arms':  English Heraldry is quite without any Let  and any copying of these is strictly forbidden and rarely allowed in any case!      Despite the IRISH Coats originating with that Lord Lyon, the Irish actively encourage a  'Let of Copy' provided it adheres to strict rules, eg:      to show an associated Name but, it must carry an acknowledgement to say such. Scots Law again allows the Crest to be 'used freely', so long as it is 'Carried within a Belt' thus signifying 'CLANSHIP' alone  for the want of a better word and Fielty is then assumed but, never for Commercial gain or mislead!      The Welsh too have a leaning to Let but as always, all these are rigidly guarded in any Let and that Due acknowledgement must be made very clear in statement of why it appears!  Taken to illustrate example of Emblazoning, it probably be acceptable, making it very clear that is the case and not Assuming or Usurping as the Law would have it! These are only rough guidlines but, I hope this helps others who do considering a borrowing? Never publish these without enquiring of Holders themselves!

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« Reply #17 on: Friday 03 December 10 09:38 GMT (UK) »
I am proud to display the Conway family one below my username!

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