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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #9 on: Monday 28 June 10 16:44 BST (UK) »
I'm not convince yet either, Monica, but just posting the details I found  ;)
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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #10 on: Monday 28 June 10 16:56 BST (UK) »
Just looking at Irish marriages....

There is an entry for a William Barclay, 1st Qrt 1893 in Belfast, also a different entry for an Isabella Morton.

The references are the same for each entry:

Film No. 101257/ Vol. No. 1/ Page No. 410/ Digital Folder No. 4179389

Only the image entry no's are different: 9 for William and 37 for Isabella

Aghadowey, I'm lost with the Irish indexes  :P From this info, do you think these two are connected!

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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #11 on: Monday 28 June 10 19:42 BST (UK) »
The details that need to match are year/quarter, registration district, volume and page numbers (image #, etc. are LDS references).
Without getting the certificate you can't be sure the two people were married to each other but they do appear on the same page so there's a good chance.

See here for details on Irish marriage certificates and how to order them-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383526.0.html
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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #12 on: Monday 28 June 10 19:48 BST (UK) »
Checking another database index shows that-
William Barclay married 1893 Ellen ? (Antrim)
William Barclay married 1892 Isabella ? (Down)
and
Isabella Morton married 1892 William ? (Down).

Re-checking the civil index shows two possibilites for the couple-
Isabella Morton
Apr./June 1893 volume 1 page 423
Jan./Mar. 1893 volume 1 page 410
William Barclay- same details for both items

Wonder if a first ceremony wasn't valid and for some reason it was re-entered in the register.

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #13 on: Monday 28 June 10 21:43 BST (UK) »
Certainly strong possibilites to follow up there  :)

Pity they are hidding in the 1911 census (assume in Ireland, but you never know, maybe Scotland that is not yet been released).

kbingy, is it your tree for Matilda on Ancestry? From that Matilda is showing as having married in Belfast in 1913. Do you have the cert? If so, what did it say about her father William, did he still show as a joiner by trade, alive/deceased?

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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 29 June 10 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hi all, thanks for the help. Matilda married Thomas Benson on June 3rd 1911. Her father is listed as William Barclay, joiner, on the m cert. In 1901 Irish census he is a "joiner on strike". Can't find any of them in 1911.

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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 29 June 10 10:04 BST (UK) »
If the marriage for Matilda was 1911, then the family you would think would have been in Belfast then.

Were there any family names as witnesses on the cert? What was the address showing for Matilda, maybe someone knowing how this is indexed on the census can narrow down the search for them on the census (taken some months earlier on 2 April).

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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 29 June 10 10:39 BST (UK) »
Hi, the witnesses were Maggie Benson and James Foulis or Fowlis. On the m cert both Thomas and Matilda are living at 121 Sandy Row. There appears to be no connection to the family at this address though, may have been a boarding house of some kind? Isabella and William were both born in Scotland according to the 1901 census, they seem to have disappeared after that, even the son John. A* has army records for a John Barclay of the same age but not sure if it is the same one.

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Re: Barclay/Wilkie/Morton/Grieve
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 29 June 10 12:12 BST (UK) »
I did have a look for military records for brother John. The one I think you are referring to from pension records shows as born in Oban Argyll in 1899 (the service records are hard to read!).

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