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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 15:57 BST (UK) »
Hello "Sheepherder."

It is this elusive Samuel Dale that I am trying to track.  A couple of my Aussie contacts have the same story of Alexander's grandfather being Samuel.  However, I have now been through the Church records of Magherafelt C of I and Presbyterian, Woods Chapel C of I, Castledawson Presbyterian, Saltersland Presbyterian and Curran Presbyterian, the Salters Company estate records, the Marquis of Londonderry Estate Records, the 1740 religious census, the 1766 religious census, the 1831 census etc and there is no record of a Samuel Dale (or Deal) in Derry although there was one in Tyrone and one in Antrim.   From what I understand, a number of years ago an Aussie Dale descendent hired a researcher to trace Dales in Ireland and this is where the name Samuel popped up as being the progenitor of this line of Dales.  Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the researcher made a mistake.  I would be extremely interested to learn if you have any documentation for this Samuel or if it comes from this same source--the researcher.

In the 1740 census the heads of households in that part of Derry were Thomas in Anaghmore and Thomas and James in Ballymulderg.  From what I can determine, I am descended from the Ballymulderg branch.  However, they are all descended from a John Dale who emigrated from Ayrshire in the late 17th century.

Are you a male Dale?  Has any Dale in your branch had their DNA tested?  A few of us Dale descendents have done so.

Please let me know what you can of this elusive Samuel Dale. 

Ron Dale

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 June 10 10:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Ron,

Sorry Ron, but I can't be of much help.  There was a Dale family reunion in 2001 at Tiaro, which is between Gympie and Maryborough in Queensland.  John Dale (b. 23 Jul 1854 at Ballymulderg) lived there and some of his descendants still do.  That was where I found out about our mysterious Samuel Dale.

According to some at the reunion Samuel married around 1780 and had four children: Thomas, William, John and James.  I really do not know if there is any information/data to support this.

I am a Dale through my grandmother - Jeannie Dale who was a daughther of James Dale (b: 10 Dec 1859 in Ballymulderg), who lived at Gympie and later moved to Brisbane.

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Wales: Montgomeryshire
England: Cheshire
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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 June 10 15:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sheepherder.

Were there any male Dales at this reunion?  It would be great to get a DNA sample from a Dale of Alexander's line.

The supposed sons of Samuel are the Dales who can be found in that area of Derry around 1800.  Thomas was the son of Joshua, John, James and William the sons of a different Thomas, James or John, etc.


The Samuel, as I mentioned before, is nowhere to be found in any of the records.

Alexander's baptism record lists his father as John who was baptised in 1790.  In the baptism record for John, 1790, his father is given as John of Ballymulderg, not Samuel. 

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 July 10 10:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Ron,

Sorry to take so long to respond but I have been away for a few days.

As I previously mentioned I first met the "Dales" at the 2001 reunion.  I was the only Dale representative from Alexander's line.  The rest were either John's, Margaret's or Elizabeth's descendants.

I have not kept in touch with any of them.  Sorry   :-[

Regards,

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 July 10 04:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks "Sheepherder."  Keep your eyes peeled for a male Dale willing to get the DNA done and I will keep looking for this elusive Samuel Dale. 

Ron Dale

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 23 December 14 17:05 GMT (UK) »
hi Ron
hope you can help looking for my ggg grandfather James dale (deail) the only think i no about him for sure is from this sons birth certificate in 1855, James deail aged 30 agricultural labourer dungiven co of Derry.

looked it up in the 1831 census there were two deails john and James both from artrea ballymulderg beg, but i don't no if any is this family

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 23 December 14 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Who was the son baptised in 1855?   The 1831 census is helpful but just includes the names of the heads of households so any married children living with parents or inlaws are not listed. It is the head of the household, not the head of a family that is listed.

Ron Dale

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 23 December 14 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
    The Griffiths Valuation of 1858 shows a John Dale  living in Ballymulderg and holding two houses, farm buildings and 15 Acres of land.

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Re: Alexander Dale/Sarah Anne Crossett
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 23 December 14 18:10 GMT (UK) »
This John Dale of Ballymulderg was a son of Alexander Dale and Sarah Jane Crosset.

Ron Dale