Thomas John Cole

[Carlene63]

I am researching Thomas John Cole, son of Charles and Mary maiden name unknown.
He was born sometime between 1843 and 1848. He came to Victoria Australia prior to 1867 and settled in Castlemaine, where he married had a large family and died there as well.

His marriage and death certificates give conflicting information as to exactly when and where he was born. One certificate states born London and the other Poplar. Each gives a different birth year.
I know that he had a brother who came to Castlemaine for a visit.

I am looking for help in London and Poplar district to solve this, would like baptism or birth of Thomas and details about his parents Charles and Mary.
Any help or advice would be very greatly appreciated.
CAK

[ElvisMole]

Could this be your man?

1851 census
HO 107 1499
Islington, Trinity, Finsbury
Islington West, District 20 Page 9
19 Pulteny Street

Charles     Cole     Head     30     Islington, Middlesex, England (Carpenter Journeyman)
Mary Ann    Cole    Wife    27    Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Charles    Cole    Son    8    Islington, Middlesex, England
John    Cole    Son    5    Islington, Middlesex, England
Mary    Cole    Daughter    2    Islington, Middlesex, England

Ray

[nigelp]

Hi CAK,

Do you know his occupation, the occupation of his father or the name of his brother?

Nigel

[ElvisMole]

Hiya!

Could this be him/them?

Via Ancestry search
1841 Census
"Charles Cole 1820-24 London"
He's the one birthplace Middlesex residence Tottenham Middlesex

HO 107 / 654 / 21
(schedule Page 24, 46)
Tottenham, District 10
(Page 11)
Tottenham Hale
Providence Place
James    Cole    70    Carpenter
Sophia    Cole    60    Middlesex
(Page12)
Harriet     Cole     20     Middlesex     
Charles    Cole    20    Middlesex (Carpenter)
Frederick    Cole    3 Mo Middlesex

Ray

[Carlene63]

Hi guys,
When Thomas married in 1867 his occupation was a butcher, and that is what he did all his life.
His father I have no idea. Father - Charles mother - Mary maiden name unknown.

Ray the info that you found with Charles being born in 1821 can you tell me what that was, a census???

I have found three possible Charles Cole and even Coles in the area.
Charles who married Mary Atkin and lived next to his in laws for several census returns.
Another one had three children baptised or living in Limehouse.

There are several Thomas Cole born in the area from that time period. The marriage which you would assume he gave the correct age was 22, means born in 1845, birth place London.

His death certificate (info given by his son) states he was born in Poplar.

So I am slightly confused. Any help I would love.
CAK
 

[Carlene63]

Sorry I don't know Thomas's brother's name.

I do know that Thomas had nine children one of them was called Frederick Septimus who died young and he named another child Frederick Septimus Leopold. So maybe the Fred comes down the line.
CAK

[ElvisMole]

(I added the census =1841= to the earlier post - in case someone else reads it)

So Thomas was a butcher with 9 children. (no jokes or puns please!)
Got any dates with the names?
Who were born Eng and who Aus?

Fred Septimus sounds like his seventh child
and confusingly the eighth/ninth!?

Ray

[Carlene63]

Thomas married 1867 Mary Jane Boyce in Castlemaine Victoria
Children George born 1869, Thomas John 1871, John Albert 1873, Charles Benjamin 1877,
Henry James 1879, William 1881, Frederick Septimus Leopold 1884 Died 1888,
Norman Oliver 1886, died 1888, Frederick Septimus Leopold 1888,
Florence May 1889 (only daughter), Norman Oliver 1891.

I just found 1851 census Poplar Union workhouse
Charles Coles aged 11, Thomas Coles aged 10 and William E aged 9. All born Poplar and paupers
(no parents).
Maybe this is my Thomas.
Cannot find the family as a whole on 1841 census.
CAK

[Carlene63]

sorry all the children born to Thomas Cole and Mary Jane Boyce were born in Castlemaine. Victoria Australia