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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #279 on: Saturday 21 August 10 10:44 BST (UK) »
Dear JDS1949,

now that we have confirmed who 2L/t AE Harris is, I think we can also conclude that Alfred Ernest Harrison Beds and Herts is also who he say's he is. The document in the file was there in error, no wonder there was some questions about his past service and rank, these pages could have been missing during the war let alone now. This isn't the first time I've found combined documents, even in the NCO's files and they have regimental numbers that makes identification easier.

The Officers records are a mess when it comes to similar names and ranks, their system wasn't really foolproof, I guess they had to get it going quickly and didn't have enough time to set up proper rules, although the "long Numbers"were available but I'm just not too sure if they work either

Now, refocus, where am I going?, these intrim issues seriously do side track me...!

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #280 on: Saturday 21 August 10 18:27 BST (UK) »
My trip to the British Library is likely to be around 24th September Ian, so unless we have everything resolved in the meantime I shall make sure I am briefed regarding what we need from the Indian Army records. Regarding misfiled documents, I saw this during my railways employment several times. Though usually accidental or careless work, it was also a very good way of losing papers from contentious cases! I wonder if that happened to AEH? Computerised records weren't much better co-ordinated either, I remember dealing with a service matter for one of my staff at Birmingham, only to find he had in fact been dismissed 7 years earlier.He had of course been reinstated on appeal, but the records had never been updated, took me three weeks to unravel that one. Nearly as bad as AEH!
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #281 on: Saturday 21 August 10 18:53 BST (UK) »
Dear Ian,

I take it then that there is no need to re-visit Alfred Ernest's file. I shall be going to the NA next week - do let me know [by Tuesday if possible] if you want me to chase anything for you then.

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #282 on: Monday 23 August 10 23:03 BST (UK) »
Dear Roger and JDS1949,

yes the misfiling is a bother and sounds like it happens everywhere, it certainly happens here as I have lost my WO338 index (the printed version) and it has to be in a file somewhere in this house......! Grrrrrrr

As for Alfred Ernest's file, I've had second thoughts, if you have a chance please confirm that the information that I have is the same as you have seen at the TNA.

Its been a torrid couple of days, I've been beavering away at home and elsewhere going over some aspects of AEH's Service Records again. I had said previously that I would mount a question regarding the "form of Commission" this aspect has always had me puzzled

I now have a more logical explanation of what happened regarding the receipt of a Commission document by Nora. (and I didn't work this out myself)

We believe that AEH was Commissioned and entered into the British Permanent Army. He was due a Commission Certificate or as we know it a "Form of Commission" AEH didn't give a forwarding address of perhaps an address that he was no-longer residing a Hotel or boarding house. The British Military sent this document to this address by Registered mail and it bounced. The British Military knew that he was originally with the AIF. They sent it to the AIF to be sent on to his NOK. The AIF then sent it off to her. 

They send it along with two other documents, the covering letter explaining that this is a Commission Form for her husband that has joined the British Army, they wish her to sign the receipt card and return it to Victoria Barracks in Melbourne and wish her to forward the Commission form on to AEH

At this point we now know that she is aware that he has joined the British Military, we don't know if she knows his location in the UK. At this point she either sends it on if she knows where he lives (unlikely) or bins it or keeps it.

The important thing here is that the British Army know how to get back to Nora via the AIF, so this confirms that he was using his correct name or none of this would be possible. The term "for transmission to him" resonates in my head because I have never understood the meaning of this term in context with the other information, now it makes perfect sense (to me)

We believe that he was actually out of the Army in October 1919 and the receipt of the Commission document was a housekeeping exercise after the war. It is therefore possible that he joined using his name (A or Albert Harrison) around the time of his Discharge from the AIF in August 1918. So we believe that we should consider reviewing the Army lists between the period August 1918 to say June 1919

The next part is even more fanciful and salacious....!!

There are three documents in his service file that relate to correspondence between the AIF and the Department of Repatriation. These are a request on behalf of the Department Doctor requesting information regarding AEH via a B103 sheet in relation to a living allowance. I had historically thought this to be for Nora, however it is reasonable to conclude that it might be for AEH given that Nora's name isn't mentioned and the Department was for soldiers and not dependants, these documents were written on November 1922, the third item in the group is a DVA file card made out to  | Capt Harrison A E | Repat | 22/11/22 | 0/205 | ??? only| suggesting that there was a Repatriation file. We have hit this angle hard previously without success, the files have been raided and there only remains an empty folder......!

The B103 form is a listing of all significant issues regarding his career,  inc. medical, promotions, crimes and postings

What do you think, plausible....??

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK


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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #283 on: Monday 23 August 10 23:23 BST (UK) »
The next question....!

who is Albert Edward Harrison in the WO338 Index with the long number that relates to a missing file in W0339 and was born in 1888 it can't be Alfred Ernest he was born in 1887 and is underneath the AEH entry

The one I'm speaking about is the man with the perfectly formed ink smudge on Regiment

I'm only speaking of this fellow again as he keeps invading my thoughts. I see no other Albert Edward Harrison's who are Officers, and yet this fellow appears to be the real deal albeit apparently born in 1888 according to the right hand DOB column

JDS1949, any work on WO338 index or WO339 files would be really appreciated if you have any time at the TNA, particulary A and Alberts.

Cheers

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #284 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 00:10 BST (UK) »
The Western Australian National Archives have just made contact regarding a research request that I issued several weeks ago. They report that they have opened the file for viewing. Subsequently, upon inspection the man was identified as an NCO of the name Alfred Ernest Harrison born 1880 in Western Australia

I had previously confirmd that this file was of this fellow a couple of weeks ago and determined that I didn't require it after all. I confirm that it isn't Ex Capt AE Harrison AIF

Another fasle alarm

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #285 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 10:48 BST (UK) »
Ian, Reply No.282 makes complete logical sense to me. There is still the problem over the dates of receipt though. If as you seem to have very reasonably conjectured (I can't quite say proved) he had re enlisted under his own name then you must go back to the period shortly after his dismissal from the service, I would guess that an accurate date of birth is the first thing he would discard in the circumstances.
Alfred Ernest b1880 is not a false alarm, he is a false trail eliminated, and need not concern researchers ffurther.
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #286 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 13:07 BST (UK) »
Congratulations 20 pages of a truly fascinating thread!  ;D
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #287 on: Tuesday 24 August 10 13:59 BST (UK) »
I just wanted to add that I'm another following this thread avidly. A truly intriguing investigation.