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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #261 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 01:20 BST (UK) »
Dear all,

yesterday, a few hours were spent analysing numerous on-line resources:

I Spent some more time on the London Gazette. I restricted the search (again) to a small period of June to October 1919 where we believe that AEH was Commissioned as a Temp 2nd L/t.   I Then used numerous permutations of Surnames and Christian names without any obvious success, apart from one man....!

One really salient point is that there was one A E Harrison mentioned within this date range. This Officer had a change made to his Rank on May 12th 1919, this change was published on October 14th 1919 in the LG.  Subsequently, five days later, Nora Harrison in Australia was notified via a "Form of Commission" that her estranged husband Ex Capt A E Harrison had been Commissioned into a British Regular Force.

This man is well known to me and re-researched recently by Roger and JDS1959 at the British Archives. This fellow is Alfred Ernest Harrison who was to be an Acting Captain promoted from a L/t in the Beds and Herts. This man has impeccable credentials and history, he joined the military as a Private in 1915 was Commissioned in 19/12/1916 and Gazetted on the 31/01/1917. When AEH/AIF was in Perham Down in Custody, The above British AE Harrison was wounded in Ypres France. So definitely this fellow is who he says he is.

It does disturb me, that there is only a few days between the LG published details of AE Harrison of Beds and Herts and the subsequent correspondence to Nora Harrison in Australia, regarding her estranged husband AIF-AE Harrison. There is just one relatively subjective reason that I continue to pursue the military aspects of AEH/AIF who was apparently Commissioned into a British Regular Force.

The rank mentioned in the "Form of Commission" is described quite positively as a "T2ndL/t in the first instance" and the above British, Alfred Ernest Harrison was never a T2L/t and his Gazzette entry was not for a T2L/t. This can only mean it's another man, and that man whatever his name, must be described in the London Gazette as every Military Rank change was Gazetted in this publication.

The upshot of this new epiphany, is a new approach.

I am going to extract from the LG all the T2ndL/t's and 2ndL/t's of any name, that were Commissioned or joined any Regular British Service from January 1919 to October 1919. I am guessing, that there will not be very many men who meet this criteria. At this time in 1919 the war was well over and there were thousands if not millions of NCO's and Officers leaving the service. The LG describes this exodus in detail

Importantly, relatively few were joining or being Commissioned in 1919, In fact to be honest I can't believe that any men were receiving Commissions at this stage, given that so many well qualified and previously Commissioned men were being dismissed, discharged and demobilised back into Civilian life.

I again confirm, that in my opinion, Medal Index Cards can't be used reliably to determine a man's existence or not. I am consistently confronted with Service Records of Officers and NCO's not having MIC's, I initially thought that all men would naturally have a card, this is not the case.

Notwithstanding the above regarding MIC's, I checked the MIC's for Harrison's in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, there were 113 in total and 2 Officers, none of which could have been AEH, at this stage.

The engrossing of the book ANZACS in Archangel continues without any obvious result, save, an interesting story.

If anyone has any thoughts on this new theory, I'd be really interested to hear of them..!

Cheers

Ian

PS: In relation to the Welsh Fusiliers badge, speaking with my son yesterday regarding badges, he reports that it is not uncommon for soldiers to swap badges and he reports that he has many military badges from all over the world. He's now in the Royal Engineers AIF Reserve. Perhaps, this is an explanation for the appearence of the RWF badge.
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #262 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 10:08 BST (UK) »
Yes I would agree gizzits and swapsies are common in all three services...

Impeccable credential and history-hmm given how history can be rewritten and credentials can be bought maybe a contradiction in terms? Your AEH was a "smart" cookie and probably knew people who could do these things for him....  Day of the Jackal comes to mind! 

AEHs story if you ever get to the bottom of it and even now with the stuff you have done sounds like a good book.  I look forward to hearing you have published it....

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #263 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 16:06 BST (UK) »
Just a comment on your proposed new approach Ian, starting in January 1919 leaves a gap of some seventeen months that AEH could have slipped through. I think I understand your reasons, but if there is to be a successful conclusion then the search must be exhaustive.
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #264 on: Wednesday 18 August 10 17:02 BST (UK) »
One for the Moderator please: I have been notified that this topic has been split into 2 sections, though I recived 2 emails, they both refer me to topic 462650! Where is the other part so I can cross reference please?
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #265 on: Thursday 19 August 10 00:49 BST (UK) »
G'day Roger,

Regarding the seventeen months:

I see your point and may I think out loud..!
   He was GCM'd and dismissed at Tidworth August 28th 1917
   He was discharged in London August 28th 1918
   He can't rejoin a new British unit until he is properly discharged and then requires his discharge papers to use as evidence that he was originally a Captain with the 19th Battalion AIF.
   The AIF has no knowledge of his whereabouts and is unable to tell his wife Nora of any movements up until October 1919
   On the 10th October 1919 the AIF inform Nora that her estranged husband has been commissioned as a T2ndL/t in the British Permanent Army

My decision to restrict the search to 10 months is based on this letter to Nora in October describing his Commission. I would like to believe that this information is hot off the press "I could be wrong and you could be right"  I've considered that it was probably within two months, let’s say between August and October.

To be certain of capture "the benefit of the doubt" I've given it another seven months to be quite sure of capturing all the possibilities.

I see your point about going back still further into 1918; however the economies of scale become huge, so big that it becomes an impossible task. This period encompasses the end of the War and possibly thousands of T2ndL/t and 2ndL/t's. It would be different if I was to look for only Harrison's or Harris’s etc, but the objective is to do all men of these two ranks, who are either joining units or receiving new Commissions.

However, I acknowledge that there are some shortcomings with the method, but given the scale of the initial searches perusing the alignment of the Rank vs Unit/Commission criteria and then to research each single man's record for anomalies will be an onerous task. I think to broaden the search period will blow out the scale of results enormously.

But, I will know in the next couple of days where this will take me. I'll go back into 1918 and ascertain the magnitude of the results and then make a decision based on these figures

Roger, thanks for the Jolt of perspective,

Cheers

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #266 on: Thursday 19 August 10 04:24 BST (UK) »
I've made a blue, Nora received the form of Commission on October 10th 1919 and the publication in the London Gazette was on October 15th

Impossible that the Commission information came from the Gazette.......mmmmmm

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #267 on: Thursday 19 August 10 19:11 BST (UK) »
Ian, Just looked at earlier posts regarding the letter that Nora received regarding AEH's commission. Do we know who signed the letter? Or is it a per pro and an illegible squiggle? If it's a signature it might just might cross refgerence with something else in this thread.
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #268 on: Friday 20 August 10 01:12 BST (UK) »
Dear Roger,

In relation to the covering letter of Oct 1919 to Nora Harrison, pertaining to the existence of a Commission, I submit the following:

Including the above document, there are about three other documents in AEH's service records that are from the same origin.
These records originate at Base Records and apparently from the same Officer in Charge, this would be Victoria Barracks, St Kilda Rd Melbourne Australia.

In each case the following text is observed:

Major
Officer I/C Base Records

In each case the correspondence relates to Nora's RFI regarding her estranged husband AEH
In each case the signature is created by "Mr Squiggle"
In each case I can't be sure if it's the same signature
In each case I can't be sure if its is actually the Officer in charge signing or someone acting on his behalf, "a staff member"

I'm happy to extract these signatures and post them here if you need to view them

Hope this is of some use.

Cheers

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #269 on: Friday 20 August 10 01:40 BST (UK) »
Dear Roger and JDS1949,

I have a question regarding one of the Service Records that you located and engrossed at the Archives.

Specifically the one regarding Lt Acting Captain Alfred Ernest Harrison of the Beds and Herts.

Were the records that you found his Attestation and general records or his pension records?

If they were his pension records did you notice a page regarding an RFI pertaining to an L/t AE Harrison not appearing on the Army list and where could it be found?

And then a response regarding this same issue of Lt AE Harrison not visible in the list but in-fact identified under the name of AE Harris in the Army list?

I also have initially discovered an anomaly regarding his first Commission date, I have a different date from the one that Dave identifies and this could be nothing but a mistake in my research or something more significant.

I think I only have his pension documents, are there Attestation papers??

Thanks

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK