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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #189 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:05 BST (UK) »

G'day Robyn,

I agree with all your comments and sentiments regarding the 30's and the Ex Servicemen who were basically castaways in their own country, many who just took to the roads into the bush.

The Government tried to employ as many as they could on big projects such as the Great Ocean Road (which I live on) lots of the blokes were just as happy to continue working in camps with their mates. Normal society could not possibly understand the horrors they had endured and expected these men to just reintegrate back into society.

Yes, so lots just disappeared.


Swaggie!! you must be an Aussie!!

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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« Reply #190 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:53 BST (UK) »
I've made a mistake:

I mentioned a J A Harrison who was rejected in a special application to be repatriated back to Australia, in fact upon rechecking the details last night after my message to Robyn, his name was Albert J Harrison. I do have a JAE Harrison who emerged in the latter stages of WW1 without any known military history, and he's another person of interest due for exposure in the near future.

However, I should at this point elaborate on AJ Harrison in more detail, given that his circumstances have emerged prematurley and require clarification.

As I have said, his documents are a bit blurry so quite difficult to read, I haven't copied them, as the next generation will be worse, so I will transcribe what I can.


“27/06/1920

To:  The Comptroller The Department of Repatriation Market St Melbourne

The attached papers regarding the repatriation from England of an Australian named Albert J Harrison are forwarded for your information and for favor of advice as to whether your department is prepared to grant an indulgence passage to him

Kindly treat this matter as urgent and return the attached papers with your reply

Secretary
Home and Territories Department”



"The Response"

“24 June 1920

The Secretary Home and Territories Department, Melbourne

RE: Albert J Harrison   (Passage from England)

I desire to acknowledge receipt of your minute of the 17th June, relative to the abovementioned.

In reply, I would advise that Mr Harrison is not an Australian Soldier within the meaning of the Australian Soldier Repatriation Act 1917-1918 it is not possible for this department to render the assistance desired. Papers are returned herewith

D Gilbert Comptroller”

This is my take on this:

1;   A good chance it is my AE Harrison
2:   This man has been an Australian Soldier at one time
3:   He has sent on his papers to a Civilian Department and they have sent them on to a Military Department, meaning he was originally a soldier
4:   The response that "not an Australian Soldier within the meaning of the Australian Soldier Repatriation Act 1917-1918 " again confirming that if he had been dismissed/discharged he has no further call on the Australian Government.
5:    It’s the right period perhaps after some more service with the British Army


There is no Australian Officer of this name and only one Private who subsequently returned to Australia in 1919, the Australian records are irrefutable.

The personal documents that were originally involved in this correspondance are not part of these Records and were subsequently returned to thr originator AJH, according to the records and do not exist in the Archives

I will investigate this man as a person of significant interest in a matter of course, naturally, he didn't get passage on this occasion, and if it is my AEH then this suggests that he is keen to be returned to OZ, and therefore the Civilian Shipping lists must be considered with a man using the initials Albert J Harrison, Robyn’s idea to look at post war shipping !

Sorry to keep moving laterally, as I have said, I do believe that to persue any type of future career as a professional soldier or civillian he would need his previous history, education, military record and personal references. To remain outside the confines of his Australian responsibilities, he would perhaps change his name only a little, just a smudge on a document would be enough to make a J out of an E

Ian

Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #191 on: Friday 23 July 10 08:00 BST (UK) »
Yes,

An Aussie and lived on the Great Ocean road for many years too.

I think that the way he stuck to his birthdate for significant event would not change.

The day and month would stay constant the year may vary depending on what he was trying to achieve.

Post war shipping is a must but he may also have arrived as crew and jumped ship,  my grandmother shipped out i 1924 and we assume just stayed here.

I will do some digging there.

Then there is the weird possibility that he returned as Albert George!!!  No one in the family wouwld have said anything!!!

regards

Robyn

The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #192 on: Friday 23 July 10 08:14 BST (UK) »
 from the NAA site list of 606 individual Harrisons 1921-1930

HARRISON, A     Col         MOLDAVIA
Port of embarkation    London
Port of disembarkation    Fremantle    
Date of arrival   14 Apr 1925

Barcode no 12260782

HARRISON,    Lt Col       ORMONDE
Port of embarkation    Toulon
Port of disembarkation      Sydney
Date of arrival  26 Jan 1922
    
Barcode no 30151346

HARRISON, A E     Mr         BARRABOOL
Port of embarkation    London
Port of disembarkation Melbourne
Date of arrival   30 Jan 1925

Barcode no 1223415

HARRISON, A J     Mr         Moreton Bay
Port of embarkation    London
Port of disembarkation Melbourne    
Date of arrival   18 Nov 1926

Barcode no 11552986

HARRISON, A J     Mr         OSTERLEY
Port of embarkation    Toulon
Port of disembarkation    Auckland    
Date of arrival 08 Jan 1924

Barcode no  1213672

 (4 Albert Harrisons this is one)
HARRISON, Albert     Mr         Benalla
Port of embarkation    London
Port of disembarkation    Fremantle
Date of arrival 15 Mar 1927

Barcode no 11551895

2 George Harrisons  and only  1 Edward

and an aside there are 3 Albert Edward Harrisons in NZ deaths
this one is close in age:
1936   Harrison    Albert Edward    59Y      rego#26167

lots to choose from but the first two as army personel are interesting!!

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany


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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #193 on: Friday 23 July 10 09:15 BST (UK) »
G'day Robyn,

I agree that he would have kept his original day and month in his birth-date, I'm not sure why he would want to continue his illusion going on his year of birth after leaving Nora and the Military.

Although I've seen a couple of the chaps in the shipping lists previously, some I haven't seen and they are really tantalizing.

Where to from here, I'm having enough trouble keeping up with the thread Q&A's let alone the background incidentals and impromptu research, I've got some outstanding lists almost completed for JDS1949 and Redroger and I need to peruse the Military research as far as it goes for continuity and to leave no stone unturned. I will follow these clues up as soon as I can. If you have the opportunity to look at these men in more detail that would be fantastic and they certainly do look promising

As for the A G and A J men, I agree they are really good probabilities, let alone the AE Harrison's that have emerged

And again? where to from here? how do we proceed to check these men, the shipping lists have some ages don't they? but from that where do we go and what do we do when we get there? are there additional details other than in the indexes at the Archives, aside from the indexes I've not previously done much with these resources. Except the original immigration lists at the PROV

I did track the fellow who went to Fremantle and then he went to Sydney and then I lost him ………..(bugger)

Thanks V/Much for the clues and help here

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #194 on: Friday 23 July 10 10:53 BST (UK) »
Will?

I assume Sydney Blamey left a will as it is mentioned in the newspaper notice of 1934. I don't think 1934 is a year covered by the online probate index, but it's difficult to follow what is/isn't.
I think chasing this up, if it does exist, is important. Sydney was THERE, and if anyone knew what happened to Albert it was him. The will may say nothing, or it might have been a confessional for him. Sydney was clearly a very troubled man with a lot of things going on in his head due to the war. He didn't seem to have had much, so why did he feel the need to make a will?

I just think pursuing the military record line is fine, but you don't really know what you are looking for so looking sideways might provide the answer and the will is something tangible.

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #195 on: Friday 23 July 10 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Carole,

I agree with your call for Syd's will, his grandson Brian has agreed to undertake the search for the Will and the Coroners Inquest

I have just emailed him as I promised last week, I'll wait for his reply and alert you of the outcome when he responds, which I expect will be in the next couple of days, Brian actually lives in the city where these documents will be kept so he is an obvious choice to undertake this process

If he has been unsuccessful or unable to make any progress, I will have a go myself.

I agree that it is a tangible piece of research and I haven't discarded this important element in the overall process, in the end it could be the most intangible or conversely the most obvious piece of information that’s leads us to the answer we require

I'll be back to you ASAP

Ian


Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #196 on: Friday 23 July 10 16:57 BST (UK) »
At least I believe that any ship he did enlist on as crew would almost certainly be British in that era, so merchant navy records would be a good place to start.
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #197 on: Saturday 24 July 10 01:04 BST (UK) »

G'day jds1949,

were you able to confirm the DOB's on the WO338 pages, only some men had them and on the page I mounted here, Albert Edward Harrison had his on the right hand column. I was thinking that maybe your viewer didn't get the RH column in the picture or I could scan another version

Cheers

Ian

Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK