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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #198 on: Saturday 24 July 10 02:31 BST (UK) »
and an aside there are 3 Albert Edward Harrisons in NZ deaths
this one is close in age:
1936   Harrison    Albert Edward    59Y      rego#26167

lots to choose from but the first two as army personel are interesting!!

Robyn
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Can discount that NZ death as that Albert Edward married in NZ 1900, he and his wife buried at Fielding

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Flanagan Queens County>VIC>NZ
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Bury Shropshire>Aus
Maher Kings County>Aus
Pavletich Croatia>VIC>NZ
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #199 on: Saturday 24 July 10 10:26 BST (UK) »
Dear Ian,

Yes, I went back and looked at the image that you had posted earlier which, unlike the one I had, had the extreme right hand column with the birth year written in.

My plans for the next couple of weeks are a little fluid at the moment, my wife has some time off work so my time is no longer completely my own - I aim to get to Kew at least once in the next two weeks and I shall report my findings as and when.

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #200 on: Saturday 24 July 10 23:16 BST (UK) »
Here is the London Gazette list that I've been promising over the last couple of weeks, its a work in progress and I'm still checking the Gazette for more entries

1:/      There are some OCR spelling mistakes, these list entries are lifted directly from the source
2:/      I have removed all but a couple of alternate names, my original listing had many other Christian names that were of interest, this is nearly all AE's or A's
3:/      The list has its first entry from 1914 through to 1924, although we particularly need from 1917 or 1918 the preceding entries are worth having to link the same identities together, (the same man may have several entries as his career changes from Commission to Promotion and then onto ceasing his Commission) 
4:/       Some of these entries have been investigated such as Alfred Ernest and Alfred Everson Harrisson 

Hope this helps

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #201 on: Sunday 25 July 10 13:41 BST (UK) »
Got that Ian, Hope to get to the NAM later this week.
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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #202 on: Sunday 25 July 10 14:28 BST (UK) »
Ian,

Thanks from me too - don't think I'll get to Kew this week - we'll have to see how it goes.

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #203 on: Sunday 25 July 10 23:51 BST (UK) »
Dear AlbE  Hunters,

I spent yesterday researching JAE Harrison who is in my LG list, he has some Christian name initials that are of interest. As I've said previously, adding an initial in the front of your original initials would be an easy way of dealing with an alternate identity.

There would appear to be no Officer records at the NA for a "JAE Harrison", I'm guessing that 1922 is too late for the NA, his records will probably be with the MOD.

1:/    There was a medal card for a Private John Arthur Edward Harrison who left the service 26/11/17 due to ill health and joined in 1915.

2:/    The WO338 index describes a L/t JAE Harrison as John Arthur Edward Harrison matching the 1922 LG entry perfectly

I am convinced that these two references are the one man, so as far as I'm concerned L/t JAE Harrison is who he sais he is and not AE Harrison in disguise. My thoughts are that Private JAE Harrison rejoined the Military following recuperation and with a Commission to be a T2L/t and then a L/t

In the process I also stumbled across a John Stone AKA George Arthur Harrison, and it does beg the question, the business of using aliases must have been a popular past time in the 20's?

I’ve also commenced some initial research on two of the men in Robyn’s list who arrived by ship in the 20’s to Oz and I’m progressing on these as we speak. I’ve discounted the two Military men as I believe their rank is in excess of what AEH would be able to attain with ease, particularly as he had been previously dismissed.

As a rule of thumb (and I could be wrong) A Doctor or a Solicitor would generally enter the service as a Major and could make a L/t Colonel  or Colonel . A Business Manager, Engineer, etc could enter as a Captain and possibly make a Major, A School Teacher, or diploma of some sort, might allow you to enter as a L/t. These are men without previous formal military experience. I know there are exceptions to these gereralisations, but it's a rule of thumb that I've used for a while.

Although as I’m writing this, I’m thinking that given he was in the Permanent Army after the War and he possibly did the "hard yards" there could be promotions? but it's a long way from a T2L/t to be a Colonel....!

One down, hundreds to go!

Cheers

Ian
Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #204 on: Monday 26 July 10 04:58 BST (UK) »
Dr Noel Chavasse, VC and Bar, (awarded VC twice) only made Captain.

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #205 on: Monday 26 July 10 05:43 BST (UK) »
G'day Barry,

looks like there might be a difference between Australian and British Officer Entry Criteria. Our most famous and first WW1 VC winner Albert Jacka  was promted from Private to Captain, and was originally an Electrician prior to the War. Importantly he wasn't alone in rising from a private to a senior Officer

Apparantly He should have been awarded another VC and promoted again but the war ended too early for him, his citations just go on and on.....!

I have lifted some info about him and posted it here as an example

he received the Victoria Cross, the first to be awarded to the A.I.F. in WW1.

Instantly Jacka became a national hero. He received the £5,00 and gold watch that the prominent Melbourne business and sporting identity John Wren had promised to the first VC winner. His image was used on recruiting posters and magazine covers.

On 28 August 1915 he was promoted corporal, then rose quickly, becoming a company sergeant major in mid-November, a few weeks before Anzac was evacuated. Back in Egypt he passed through officer training school with high marks and on 29 April 1916 was commissioned second lieutenant.

The 14th Battalion was shipped to France early in June. Jacka's platoon moved into the line near Pozieres on the night of 6-7 August and, as dawn broke, German troops overran a part of the line. Jacka had just completed a reconnaissance and had gone to his dug-out when two Germans appeared at its entrance and rolled a bomb down the doorway, killing two men. Jacka charged up the dug-out steps, firing as he moved, and came upon a large number of the enemy rounding up some 40 Australians as prisoners.

He rallied his platoon and charged at the enemy, some of whom immediately threw down their rifles. Furious hand-to-hand fighting erupted as the prisoners turned on their captors. Fifty Germans were captured and the line was retaken. Jacka was awarded a Military Cross for his gallantry.

C.E. W. Bean described the counter-attack 'as the most dramatic and effective act of individual audacity in the history of the A.I.F.' The entire platoon was wounded, Jacka seriously in the neck and shoulder; he was sent to a London hospital. On 8 September London newspapers carried reports of his death but Bert Jacka was far from done for. He had been promoted lieutenant on 18 August, rejoined his unit in November and was promoted captain on 15 March 1917 and appointed the 14th Battalion's intelligence officer.

Early in 1917 the Germans had retired to the Hindenburg Line and on 8 April Jacka led a night reconnaissance party into no man's land near Bullecourt to inspect enemy defences before an allied attack against the new German line. He penetrated the wire at two places, reported back, then went out again to supervise the laying of tapes to guide the infantry. The work was virtually finished when two Germans loomed up. Realizing that they would see the tapes, Jacka knew that they must be captured. He pulled his pistol; it misfired, so he rushed on and captured them by hand. Jacka's quick thinking had saved the Anzac units from discovery and probable disastrous bombardment; for this action he was awarded a Bar to his Military Cross.

Harrison:  Elslack in Craven, Broughton in Craven, Carleton in Craven, Earby, Cowling, in UK
Harrison:  Richmond, Kew, Carlton, Brushgrove, Melbourne , in Oz
Capt A E Harrison. AIF,  Missing in UK

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Re: Help: Court Martialled & Missing in UK, Capt: Albert Edward Harrison AIF
« Reply #206 on: Monday 26 July 10 15:53 BST (UK) »
From memory, and I am open to correction, Major General Farrar-Hockley is the only man ever to have enlisted in the British Army, and gone right up to the top of the tree.
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