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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 03:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken

Thank you very much for that information and especially being so quick to answer.  I have everything on Isaac Hembrow after 1867 ie marriage, children, death etc. and ongoing descendants.  What I am missing are the 20 years from when Isaac arrived on the Joseph Soames in 1847 to his marriage to Elizabeth Setter in 1867 - sorry I should have been more specific but I was so excited to have found people talking about the Joseph Soames and the history of some of the boys from Parkhurst prison that I just didn't put down the specific details.

Also I believe his father was Joseph Hembrow and mother Jane Stacey but that is all I know of them. 

Therefore if you or anyone has information on my missing 20 years or on his parents and siblings, I would be most grateful.

thank you again

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Re: Isaac Hembrow
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 04:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes I thought you must have those details, as you have found more children than I did.
I believe there are records of what happened to the 'exiles' after they arrived in Geelong. My ancestor for example, who had been trained as a tailor in prison, went out to the country to work as a shepherd. They were told to get out of Geelong. (He soon became a policeman (!) then a miner)
There's quite a lot on Isaac & family on the internet, inc. a photo of his & Eliz's gravestone at Monteagle.
And I suppose you know the details of the shooting incident in 1906 ?
It might be hard to find details of Isaac for those 20 years as there are no
BDM events recorded. I'll let you know if I do turn up anything.
Ken

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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Ken.  Yes I do know about the shooting I have a copy of the article from the paper.  Some of the records on the internet on the Hembrows are not 100% unfortunately.  I have had contact with several people over the last few years and I have managed to have my records sorted out and verified with certificates etc.  There was one story about George Isaac Hembrow having gone to South Africa (I think) but according to the paper " he was found guilty of the shooting of David Munro at Monteagle and commuted to penal servitude for life" He died in 1978 at Forbes and his residence was shown as Forbes so I guess he was released at some stage.  He was 90 when he died.

Let me know if I can help you with any other information.


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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 22:57 GMT (UK) »
JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THERE WERE NO BDM ENTRIES FOR ANY HEMBROW IN VICTORIA 1847-1867
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Re: Hembrow in Victoria
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 23:39 GMT (UK) »
Nelson99
Same applies to the period 1867-1887 in Victoria
From 1887-1900- 3 births, 2 deaths & 3 marriages
From 1900-1920-  Four births
   "     1900-1940  No mar.
   "     1900-1980  Seven deaths

If you do not already have these, let me know and I'll look them up next time I'm in Melbourne.
Ken

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Re: Thomas Brown from Westmeath
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 23 February 12 01:17 GMT (UK) »
To summarize:
Thomas Brown on Joseph Soames 1847

On 9 Jan.1846 James McCarty, an Irish youth, was tried at Birmingham Quarter Sessions for stealing an apple pie. He was sentenced to 7 years ‘exile’ in the Australian colonies.
On the same day, at the same place, a Thomas Brown, 15 years, received a 10 year sentence for ‘stealing from the person’ (picking pockets).
They were both received at Millbank prison on 20 Jan, and spent about 17 months there. Then they were among a group of youths transported to Cowes, Isle of Wight, where they boarded the ‘Joseph Soames’, joining a consignment of other youths from two London prisons. They arrived at Port Henry (Geelong) on 24 September 1847.
McCarty’s four brothers eventually migrated to Australia. One of them, Malachi, married and gave his place of birth as Ballymore, Westmeath.

My great grandfather was a Thomas Brown from Westmeath. I checked all the arrivals of that name and age, but excluded all from England. The only possible one was the Thomas Brown on the Jos.Soames. No country of birth was given. If he was Irish, then what was he doing in England ? I looked for other Irish ‘exiles’ and after going through the posts on rootschat again, found James McCarty, who turns out to have been from Westmeath.
Perhaps it was a coincidence, or perhaps they knew each other. They may even have come to England together, but if so, they obviously developed different ‘survival skills’.
They would have been hungry and desperate in England. It was the beginning of the potato  famine, and thousands of Irish people were fleeing to England (no passport needed !)

I wonder how many more Irish youths were sentenced that day, and whether they kept in contact after arriving in Australia.
Any comments ?



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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #60 on: Monday 27 February 12 20:27 GMT (UK) »
nelson99,

I have something of an unfinished Biography for Isaac HEMBROW, missing basically the first 20 years after he arrived in Australia, which I have completed as part of my PhD database on  the reformatory success of Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 and the so-called "Parkhurst Boys".

Should you like a copy of the manuscript kindly drop me a Personal Message with your email address and, possibly, help me with the 20 year gap if you can.

Regards, 

Tony Cocks

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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 17 March 12 05:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken

I have been reading with interest about the Joseph Soames, and in particular about my Great Great Grand Uncle James McCarty.  (I may have been in contact with you before).  I have been researching the Irish side of my family for some time and discovered all about James and his four brothers.  The oldest JOHN was my Gt Gt Grandfather, he never left England at all. His occupation 'Slater'.  JAMES was transported, as you have written, but I found him back in England on the 1851 census.  He later married, had his own business (with employees) as a 'Slater' and eventually had servants of his own.  MALACHI was the only one to emigrate to Australia in 1858. His occupation also 'Slater'. I am now in contact with his descendants in NSW.  I don't have a lot of information on the other two brothers Micheal and Thomas, but have found no information that suggests they ever left England.  The reference to Westmeath has come from Malachi's marriage and death certificates, which my family in Australia have been kind enough to send me.  I have seen the Ballymore reference on a family tree, but haven't been able to confirm this location with any documents, so don't know where that came from.

I would love to think that James and Thomas Brown were friends, and would really like to be able to confirm the birth places of the other brothers.  Their father was Malachi and their mother Bridget.  They went to England with their five sons sometime after the last son was born in 1838 and before the 1841 census, which states they were all born in Ireland.

I would really love to hear from anyone with anymore information,

Maggie
McCarty (also known as Carter) Birmingham and Ireland . Griffin Birmingham and Gloucestershire UK.  Dainter Birmingham UK.  Gauntlett Birmingham, Devon, Herefordshire UK and Canada.

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Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 17 March 12 05:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Maggie
My 2nd cousin tells me that the Browns of Malmsbury had neighbours/friends
named McCarthy. I'll go up to the library in Melbourne soon and see what I can find about Malachi.
As he came to Victoria first, there may be more about him. I found one Malachi McCarty in the index who married in 1862, and one born the same year.
I'll check up further and post my findings.
Regards
Ken