Ysceifiog - Babtism records 1780

[anjay]

Hi there, I haven't had time to check the census records but the Margaret I am trying to trace was born in 1792.  I have had great problems with this line of my family . My great grandmother was Emily Williams born Caernarvon 1870 to John Williams born Bangor 1830 and Anne Roberts .  I have Emily's birth certificate but the address where she was born does not appear to be her family home as the family appear on  c1861 and c1871 at Hafoty Wen a farm near Llandwrog where all her siblings appear to have been born. On c1871 at the address where she was born is a Margaret Williams(mother in law) born Clynnog 1792 who I am guessing to be her grandmother. I think would be quite common in those days for women from outlying areas to move into the town to give birth particularly at the end of December. I recently tried to trace John's birth in Bangor and found the baptism of John to William Williams and Margaret Sennar. If this is the correct birth then William and Margaret move back to Clynnog as his sister Margaret was born there in 1833 but I may be on a completely wrong track.
Regards
Anne

[Hughes17]

Thank you both for your responses:-

Despair - You've thrown up some useful information here for me

a) I'd lost Elizabeth following her marriage to John Roberts - I will now look for her as Elizabeth 'Jones'
b) Can you actually find a record of Marriage between Robert Sennar and Mary Ann Hogarth?

Anjay - I fear you have gone down the wrong track

John Williams born in Bangor 1830 and batised  at Ebenezer chapel was the son of William Williams and Margaret Williams (nee Sennar) born 1810. Margaret was born i Pentir/Bangor. She cannot be the grandmother born in 1792 in Clynnog Fawr.

[despair]

No luck so far with the marriage.Is the name based on a maiden name from a birth certificate or" the most likely Mary resident in Ainstable in 1841 whose name looks like one of the middle names of one of their children"?
Looking at Robert's occupation description in the later censuses,did he spend time in the USA and could he have married there?

Regards
Roger

[despair]

References I can find to Robert Sennar's USA connection range in date from 1853(a commission for the Welsh Presbyterian Chapel Philadelphia Jan.1st 1853) to 1863("residing in Wales"),so perhaps the marriage is not there.

Regards
Roger

[Hughes17]

Yes he was still in the USA in 1856, I've read somewhere he obtained his medical qualifications at Penn university. However, he was back in Wales in 1861 as a mininster. He was unmarried in 1861. Apparently he worked in a workhouse in Liverpool as a Doctor- I presume this was sometime between 1861 and 1871

[despair]

I can find a newspaper reference for Oct 1864 that gives him leaving Bangor
"....for the metropolis..." (Liverpool or London I wonder?)which might narrow it down a little,and I think part of his occupation description is ".....registered Middlesex..",but this may not indicate residence of course.
Did the Hogarth reference come from a certificate?

Regards
Roger

[Hughes17]

I believe I was given this information from a direct decendant who had the relevant birth certificate for the youngest daughter.