ELLIS family of Bilston/Wolverhampton

[Nickie Stone]

Hi

This is what I have so far:

James ELLIS b 1845 Garside, Sunderland   -  who married  Mary TART b 1845 Pensnett.

Their children were:

Nebo b 1871
Albert Thomas b 1872
Lavinia (might also be known as Dinah) b 13.01.1875 at 7 Priestfield, Bilston
Naomi b 27.12.1876 at 95 John St, Bilston
Talitha Cumi b 1880
Hosea.

Albert Thomas married Selina Bond.  These are my great grandparents.

From what we know Naomi was possibly living in London in the 1920's/early 1930's.  We also think that Lavinia moved to the Manchester area as her brother Hosea was in the Salford area.

Talitha Cumi married James Steadman.

We've literally hit a dead end with these people, so any help as to where to turn to next would be much appreciated.


Thank you

Nickie

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Nickie

Your going to have to expand a bit on what help you need ie census/BMD/descendants or do you want to work backwards from James Ellis?

Give us a clue!

Willow x

[suzard]

It looks like nebo was born 1870 -not 1871- so you could look up their birth reg's on FreeBMD

on 1871 census Nebo is 8mths old

there is birth reg FreeBMD (which is free for you to view)
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1870
Wolverhampton
6b 578

then it looks like he married twice (not certain of wives' names yet)
Marriage freeBMD
Nebo Ellis
Sept qtr 1894
Wolverhampton
6b 895
(there are 3 males and 2 females on same page)

Marriage
Nebo Ellis
Mar qtr 1929
Coventry
6d 1075

Death reg

Nebo Ellis
Dec qtr1945
age 75
Coventry
6d 776

Suz

[suzard]

Hosea has middle initial "T" on census

so could this be his birth reg?

Hosea tart Ellis
Dec qtr 1868
Wolverhampton
6b 541

marriage reg
Hosea tart Ellis
Jun qtr 1892
Wolverhampton
females on page
Amelia Cartwright
Sarah Ann Taylor
6b959

death reg
Hosea T Ellis
Mar qtr 1911
age 42
Salford
8d 28

Suz

[suzard]

Why do you think Lavinia may be known as Dinah?

Census and birth reg she is lavinia???

Birth reg Freebmd
Lavinia Tart Elliss
Mar qtr 1875
Wolverhampton
6b 650

Suz

[suzard]

Nebo Ellis' 2nd wife was (I think) Gladys I Freeman (married 1929)

I don't know if she was younger than Nebo -but could this be her???

Death reg
Gladys irene Ellis
born 12 July 1908
death reg Jun 2004
age 95
Coventry
A73A
063/1A
118

and could this be her birth reg?

Gladys irene freeman
Sept qtr 1908
Southam
6d 74

?

Suz

[Nickie Stone]

Hi Willow

I'm actually trying to find out about the children of James and Mary.  I've got details about the families of both James and Mary, it's their children who are proving a bit elusive.

We've found out the details on the 1891 census:
Hosea 22, Nebo 20, Albert 18 and Lavinia 16 were all living with their grandfather Edwin Tart who was a widower.

In 1871 they were living at 86 Wolverhampton Road, Bilston,
In 1881, George Street, Bilson
In 1891 they were living in the St George's area of Wolverhampton.

Referring to Lavinia possibly known as Dinah - it might be a long shot, but there was a lady always referred to as aunt Dinah and we think it was Lavinia - she might not have liked her own name - it could have been her middle name or it could be just a favourite old lady that the family knew.  I'm thinking that we probably will never know.

Thanks
Nickie

[suzard]

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Referring to Lavinia possibly known as Dinah - it might be a long shot, but there was a lady always referred to as aunt Dinah and we think it was Lavinia - she might not have liked her own name - it could have been her middle name or it could be just a favourite old lady that the family knew.  I'm thinking that we probably will never know.

Thanks
Nickie

Dinah wasn't Lavinia's middle name -her middle name was Tart!!! I don't think you would refer to her as "Aunt Tart"!!!!

Is the information posted so far -new to you??

Have you checked freeBMD for marriages , deaths

Bear in mind some of the birth reg's are in the name of "Elliss" instead of "Ellis" -so you will have to check both spellings

Suz

[Nickie Stone]

Suz

Yes thank you, this information is new - and a bit overwhelming.

I think Dinah might be a red herring, but someone was always referred to as aunt Dinah.  Would children have been told to call a friendly neighbour "aunt" like they sometimes do these days?  I had two aunties that were no relation at all, so I'm guessing that this could be the case here.

Thanks again for your help.

Nickie