Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED

[dathai]

Sinann   It says Riverchapel Wexford but i cant find it on N L I reels
20th Nov 1864

both their father's are Michael

[Sinann]

1864 appears to be missing from the church register
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634011#page/1/mode/1up
Don't have time to scroll through it at the moment.

[Tweetybird21]

Thanks everyone, so this is what I do know:

Mary Sunderland married James Murphy 1864
Name   James Murphy
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   20 Nov 1864
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, County Wexford, Ireland
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, Ireland
Age   27
Birth Year (Estimated)   1837
Father's Name   Michael Murphy
Spouse's Name   Mary Sunderland
Spouse's Age   19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1845
Spouse's Father's Name   Michael Sunderland


Sarah Murphy (1869-1925) married Thomas Donnelly (1872-1946) in 1893 in Rathdfarnham and had 7 children, Joseph, Mary Emily, Marcella, Peter, James, Michael and Bridget. They lived in House 3 Kilmashogue, Whitechurch, Dublin. Sarah's parents were listed as James and Mary Murphy from Kilmashogue. Thomas's parents were Timothy and Mary Donnelly from Hollypark (but originally Wexford).

It says on the 1901 census that Sarah was born in Co. Wicklow which threw me off for a long time but I have since found on her birth cert it says Rathdown was in Co. Wicklow and not Co. Dublin so Im going with that one!

The Murphy children:

Bridget: Oct 2nd 1865 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Ballinagrann, Gorey, Co. Wexford with Sarah Sunderland present at birth

Mary: March 29th 1867 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from (Glyn?), Gorey Co. Wexford with Sarah Sunderland (from Ballinagrann) present at birth.

Sarah: Jan 20th 1869 - Michl Murphy and Mary Sutherland* (notice name change) from Fiaserae? Rathdown, Co. Wicklow with Eliza Fuigan? from Bray Common present at birth

Michael: 17th Oct 1875 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from 'The Blind Lane', Kilmashogue bridge, Whitechurch, Rathfarnham

Ellen: 26th Nov - James Murphy and Mary Sutherland* (name change again) from Kilmashogue.

James: 11th April 1881 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Kilmashogue with Aunt Mary Murphy present at birth

Margaret: 24th June 1883 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Kilmashogue with Mary Murphy present

Esther: 28th March 1888 - James Murphy and Mary Southern* (they didn't even bother to finish her name this time!) from Kilmashogue

Sinann and Daithi: They are the birth certs that I found and yes it does like they moved around a bit but finally ended up in Kilmashogue. I guess they went where the work was, if it is indeed the same family?

I'll just post this before my computer crashes!

tbc!

[Sinann]

The image of James and Mary's marriage cert should be online soon which will say where they were living at the time, hopefully that will help get you back further.
Ideally finding Sarah's baptism would hopefully show her father as James.

[Sinann]

Number 629
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633397#page/44/mode/1up

[Kiltaglassan]

Sarah: Jan 20th 1869 - Michl Murphy and Mary Sutherland* (notice name change) from Fiaserae? Rathdown, Co. Wicklow with Eliza Fuigan? from Bray Common present at birth

From Sarah's baptism, the townland is Fassaroe.

https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/rathdown/kilmacanoge/kilmacanoge/fassaroe/

KG

[Tweetybird21]

yes, I see that now, thanks Sinann, that makes sense with Sarah saying she was from Co. Wicklow on the 1901 census. Im still confused though about the name 'Michl', do you think it might have been a clerical error and is 'Jacobi' latin for James? Also can anyone read who the witnesses were, I think I see, Patricia Timmons and Margaret Nolan??

[hallmark]

yes, I see that now, thanks Sinann, that makes sense with Sarah saying she was from Co. Wicklow on the 1901 census. Im still confused though about the name 'Michl', do you think it might have been a clerical error and is 'Jacobi' latin for James? Also can anyone read who the witnesses were, I think I see, Patricia Timmons and Margaret Nolan??

Mary Sunderland married James Murphy 1864
Name   James Murphy
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   20 Nov 1864
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, County Wexford, Ireland
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, Ireland
Age   27
Birth Year (Estimated)   1837
Father's Name   Michael Murphy

[Sinann]

The informant on Sarah's birth cert most likely got his name wrong, she was probably a mid wife as her address is Bray Common so may not have known them well, also she didn't register the birth until April so lots of time to mess it up.