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Re: emigration during boer war
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 June 10 19:51 BST (UK) »
....all this was found already in rootschat Scotland, ( not by islay)  way back in May...there should have been a link to that!
I do not understand why the more mystery there is in a family search the more we tend to delve into it..only to find that there are several other posts on the same subject...Roberts parents died in Scotland, 1868 !!
My conclusion is that Robert made up stories...and hopefully everyone reads this before looking for anything else on this subject...I can't believe I wasted so much time on it...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,456584.0.html
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Re: emigration during boer war
« Reply #10 on: Friday 18 June 10 09:00 BST (UK) »
JJ,I am so sorry that you feel I have wasted time over this,that was absolutely not my intention,but although I am aware of the deaths of the Swan family in 1868 that you are referring to,I have strong doubts that this is not necessarily my family at all,indeed how could they be if there was an emigration to Canada during the Boer War with a saddlery business?The dates do not match up at all.Also,if the family name really was Smith,since we have never heard of a Swann connection before,then a finding of Smith coming over would also rule out these Swanns as a red herring,and allow me to follow the Smith family line.My sincere apologies if you think I have been wasting your time,I just hoped that coming at this mystery from another angle may conclusively prove things one way or another.I am most grateful for the rootschat helpand advice I have received.thank you for that.

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 18 June 10 15:56 BST (UK) »
Well, then why was the surname Swan even mentioned in all these posts if you don't think it is a truth? Did you find a Robert Smith with an Edward Smith on any census? Any births of a Smith where the mother is a Janet McLaren? There is the information that a Robert Smith married Byron which you claim to be your ancestors which is known for certain...
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Was your great-grandmother Mary Byron? If so, Robert married her in Greenock, 1889. At the time, he was 32 (Mary 22). He gave his parents as Edward Smith, baker (deceased) and Janet Smith m.s. [maiden surname] McLaren (also deceased)
To what region in Canada did this man Smith, the saddler, emigrate before he returned to England, became a baker and died before the marriage in 1889?? You've hung your hat on half the information, but need to prove some things before asking us to look for someone within dates that aren't even feasible.
You say coming over? You live in Canada, then?
By the way I do feel sorry for you that your ancestors are so hard to find...It is a mess, and these mysteries make for great hunts. But be honest and forthcoming with all information, such as another board has done a lot of searches on my behalf, and link to it...and think about it, the marriage information negates the family history.
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Re: emigration during boer war
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 June 10 16:33 BST (UK) »
Dear JJ,thank you for replying.I can tell that you are not pleased,and that was truly never my intention at all.I have a complete mystery to solve.I am trying to come at it from a different angle to the ones we have explored here.No,I am not in Canada,but in England.The confusion has arisen for me like this.My family name is Smith,and always has been,as far as I knew.My  grandfather's father was Robert Smith,b1853 in Ediunburgh,and as Hume so kindly discovered,married a Mary Ann Byron(I knew that part)in Greenock,and he told me who the parents were;Edward Smith and janet McLaren,according to the marriage certificate,Edward a baker apparently.

I have struggled so many,many times,and in vain to find Robert's birth certificate - even on Scotlandspeople numerous searches again and again show me nothing matching all three names.Nor can I find any family called Smith(Edward,Janet and Robert)in any census anywhere in Scotland or England at any time.However,I am just starting this ancestry with a new computer which I have not used one at all before May,so with my inexperience in both genealogy and IT,I am so very grateful for any help.

!Recently,dad's  brother,my uncle passed away and his widow sent me any family documents that she had.Amongst them was the totally surprising  letter grandad had penned to the Scottish Records Office in 1990,requesting information about his grandparents and using the name of Swann - this was the first time I had ever heard of that name in our family.Even more recently,after my correspondence with Hume I found a scrap of paper my dad had written about his father's grandfather having the saddlery business and going to Canada with it.Yet another mystery to tie in.Hence my confusion in desperately trying to explain how these pieces of a puzzle come together. to tie together using either Smiths or Swanns going to Canada,nor to finding them in Scotland anywhere.
My apologies again,


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Re: emigration during boer war
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 June 10 21:55 BST (UK) »
You need to look carefully through the Scotland censuses yourself and also look into the homes within proximity for clues...Sometimes when a father had same name as son, they went by other names...Maybe Edward 2 is now ___Edward...or looking in next generation , was your Robert born Edward Robert and using middle name?... 
I'd solve that mystery before looking to Canada for a story that may be totally out of wack...

But if you want YOU can look for Edward Smith in the passenger lists and there are many...but with no known age and with no occupation listed it doesn't help to further your cause... Here's a start with tall the Ed++  http://www.rootschat.com/links/08yj/
also Castle Gardens through which many came to Canada via the U.S....those are the ones we hope they use as occupations are sometimes listed....but nothing seems to match  http://www.castlegarden.org/searcher.php


Resource page for passenger lists http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,214795.0.html

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 19 June 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
Thank you,JJ.

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 October 21 22:48 BST (UK) »
HI Carolyn  we are related i am also the grand child of Mary Byron and Robert Swan Smith.  They all moved to Greenock and then Robert Swan died up in Glasgow where most of the family stayed.  He died in Partick I have the records.  If you can in some way private message me.
not sure how this works.    Thank you Hume you have solved the mystery of the Swan thing for me.  I am just curious why it was done but it must have been innocent as he named every one of his children Swan Smith so he was not hiding his roots and clearly wanted the name Swan remembered and marked.  There is a Robert Swan Smith in all subsequent generations.