William Haines and Maria (or Mary Ann) Mansfield

[bombog]

Hi, Carole,

How do I send you a personal message?  I believe you sent one to me in error.

Jack

[bombog]

I have more information on my great-grandparents and their parents from documents received today from the Anglican Diocese of Montreal, Quebec, and I was wondering if someone might be able to clear up any discrepancies.

From parish records, WILLIAM ROBERT HAINES, my great-grandfather, was born on Aug. 2, 1852—not Dec. 29, 1851, as previously posted, so he couldn't have been christened on Feb. 29, 1852, at St. Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London.
     
WILLIAM ROBERT HAINES' father and mother were WILLIAM HOPKINS HAINES and MARIA ANN MANSFIELD, and, according to the extract, WILLIAM ROBERT HAINES was from Blakeney, Norfolk, England.

This is in agreement with the information long thought, but never confirmed (because one of our relatives absconded with the family bible), that (1) our family name HAINES was Anglicized, (2) our origin was either Dutch or German—our name might have been HAINS, instead, (3) we immigrated to England sometime in the 16th century, and (4) the churchyard/cemetery of Saint Nicholas Church in Blakeney may be the resting place of our ancestors. 

Have a good day, dear people,

Jack

[L]

On Free BMD there is a marriage in Sept Quarter 1851 Walsingham 13 - 493  of a Maria Ann Mansfield. The only groom's name given is a William Hines.

Hopefully this is what you are looking for, with a simple mistake in the surname.

Regards,
Lesley

[L]

Following on -  a birth of a William Robert Hines Sept Quarter 1852 Walsingham 4b - 279

Lesley

[bombog]

Thank you, Lesley,

but I have no way of confirming if that is correct or not. 

I'm not familiar with the term "Sept Quarter."  Could you explain it, please.

Thanks,

Jack

[CaroleW]

Hi Jack

I'm not familiar with the term "Sept Quarter."  Could you explain it, please.

English and Welsh births are registered in the 4 quarters of the year - March/June/September/December

Births registered 1st Jan - 31st March = March qtr 
1st April - 30th June = June qtr
1st July - 30th September = September qtr
1st October - 31st December = December qtr

That does not necessarily mean that the actual birth was between those dates (eg) if a child was born on the 28th December 1870, the parents had approx 6wks in which to register the birth.  Given the Christmas period etc - the birth would only be registered in January 1871 so would be found in the March qtr 1871

Your William was born 2.8.1852 so his birth would be registered in the September qtr of 1852

but I have no way of confirming if that is correct or not. 

Haines and Hines - what has to be taken into account is that the levels of illiteracy in those days were very high so quite often names were written by officials as they were pronounced.

There would have been a Norfolk accent involved in all probability and depending on the strength of the dialect - that would account for the slightly different spelling

[CaroleW]

The 1851 census has a Maria Mansfield aged 18 b Blakeney Norfolk who were living in the Walsingham registration district of Norfolk.

All b Blakeney

Sarah Mansfield 43 mariners wife
Maria   18
Betsy   16
William   9
Sarah Ann   3
HO107 Piece 1826 Folio 539 Page 28

This is the family in 1841 - all shown as born in county (ie) Norfolk

Robert Mansfield 40 mariner
Sarah   33
Robert   11
Maria   9
Betsy   6
William Bishop 19
HO107 Piece 776/21 Folio 15 Page 24

If you purchase a copy of the 1851 marriage cert - it will give you the name of Maria's father.  If it's Robert - occ mariner then the above entries are the right family.  If not - back to the drawing board.

However - as William & Maria named their son William Robert - I think it's probably the right entry

[CaroleW]

WILLIAM ROBERT HAINES' father and mother were WILLIAM HOPKINS HAINES

You need to bear this IGI entry in mind when you get that 1851 marriage cert

WILLIAM HOPSON HAYNES   Birth:  04 DEC 1831   
 
Christening:  18 AUG 1834   Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick   
Father:  HOPSON HAYNES    Mother:  BETSEY 

EDIT - 1851 marriage cert shows father as William

[bombog]

Hi, Carole,

Good to hear from you . . . and thanks for the explanation.  It makes a lot of sense. 

Thank you both,

Jack