William Haines and Maria (or Mary Ann) Mansfield

[bombog]

Good afternoon,

I'm looking for any info on my great-great grandparents, William Haines and Maria (or Mary Ann) Mansfield.

The only lead-in information I have on them is that their son William Robert Haines was born Dec. 29, 1851 and christened Feb. 29, 1852 at St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London.  So I would imagine that that might narrow down the search a tad.

I would also like to know if William Robert Haines had any siblings.

Thanks much,

Jack Haines

[CaroleW]

This entry does not show him as William Robert nor does it show his mother as Maria

WILLIAM HAINES   Birth:  29 DEC 1851   
 
Christening:  29 FEB 1852   St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney   
Father:  WILLIAM HAINES    Mother:  MARY ANN 

[CaroleW]

There is no Haines/Mansfield marriage on freebmd or the IGI

I know from your previous post that William was 25 when he married in Scotland in 1877 but there is no birth reg on freebmd

[Eyesee]

Jack

Are you sure Mary Ann's maiden name was Mansfield?

St Mary Whitechapel
1852 Feb 29, William, s/o William & Mary Ann HAINES, Brick Lane, Pastry Cook, born 1851 Dec 29

There is this marriage
St Mark's Whitechapel
1850 Dec 9
William HAINES, full age, bachelor, Confectioner, abode 8 Brick Lane, father James Haines, Hay salesman
Mary Ann CLARK, minor, spinster, -, abode 77 Leman St, father Thomas Clark, Painter
Married after Banns
Both signed in presence of Charles Roach, Susannah Cook (her mark)

1861
5 Era Place, Bromley, Tower Hamlets
William HAINES, head mar 36, Fruiterer, born Middlesex, Shoreditch
Mary A HAINES, wife mar 29, born ditto
William HAINES, son 9, Scholar, born Middlesex, Whitechapel
Frederick G HAINES, son 3, Scholar, born Middlesex, Bromley
Edward HAINES, son 7, Scholar, born ditto
Anna STAMP, servant unbm 15, General servant, born Durham, Sunderland
RG9/300/44/10

St Anne Limehouse
1854 Apr 9, Edward, s/o William & Mary Ann HAINES, Bromley Terrace, Confectioner, born 1853 Dec 11
1858 Apr 25, Frederick George, s/o William & Mary Ann HAINES, St Leonards Road, Pastry Cook, born 1858 Apr 1
1862 Feb 9, James, s/o William & Mary Ann HAINES, St Leonards Road, Green grocer, born 1861 Dec 13
1864 Aug 22, Annie, d/o William & Mary Ann HAINES, 5 Era Place St Leonards Road, Green grocer, born 1864 Jun 30

Ian C

[CaroleW]

Hi Eyesee

The info re: his parents came from his Scottish 1977 marriage cert

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,461391.msg3223809.html#msg3223809

I very much doubt that the IGI entry is the same one

Looking at the Marriage Registration and I note that the marriage took place
St. James Church (Episcopal - Anglican) but in 1877.

Both the groom and bride were 25
He was a labourer and she a Laundress
His parents were William Haines, Joiner/ Maria Mansfield
Her parents were  John McKenzie, Flour Miller (deceased)/Mary Doull

[Eyesee]

From FreeBMD
William HAINES, Mar qtr 1852, Whitechapel, 1c 364

Ian C

[CaroleW]

The 1852 baptism entry shows father as a pastry cook - the 1877 marriage entry shows him as a joiner

[bombog]

Thanks so much, Ian and Carole, for your quick replies.

I have no reason to doubt that my great-great grandmother's last name was Mansfield, but I will verify this with my aunt. 

Regards,

Jack Haines

[CaroleW]

Hi

I'm sure she was nee Mansfield but there is no evidence in England to support that as we cannot find a marriage between William Haines and Maria Mansfield

There is no William Robert Haines birth in England that matches to his age when he married