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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 11 June 10 02:38 BST (UK) »
I am going to post the information that I have that may help with both Thomas and Robert.

www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index.html
Robert McCracken
Reg. # 438773
joined at Port Arthur spring 1915, 52nd Battalion
You can view his attestation papers at the above site and also order his complete military file from the same site. the cost is 40 cents per page plus postage and handling. It takes approximately 30 days to receive the information. Most files have 25 to 50 pages. If Robert was injured there may be a lot of follow up information in the file including his death records.

http://www.52ndbattalion.com/index.php
This site will give you the nominal roll of officers and noncommissioned officers that joined plus the 1st and 2nd reinforcing names. This site also gives the names and medals of any recipients from the 52nd. Robert McCracken is listed as a member but no medals are shown for him. His brother Thomas is not listed anywhere. There are no attestation papers for Thomas McCracken joining in either Canada or the UK. It is possible that they were in different battalions and served in the same area. If Thomas was living in Scotland, it would be likely that he served with a Scot regiment and battalion. I would check to see what regiments were raised in the Ayr Scotland area.

I will keep looking.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 11 June 10 03:36 BST (UK) »
I am a bit confused about a few things. You state you are looking for a couple of your mum's brothers, Robert and Thomas.

You also state in one post that the Port Arthur reference is interesting as your granny and granddad were living there at the time and that your mum was born there and that your grandparents came out in 1910. Are you referring to Thomas and Mary Mccracken? In May, 1915, Robert Mccracken on his attestation papers states that his next of kin is his father T. Mccracken, 48 Princess St. Ayr, Scotland.

In another of yor posts you stated that he was a sergeant major and was awarded the MM and the DCM. Which brother are you referring to, Robert or Thomas. Do you have the paperwork that shows when and where these were awarded.

Matrix Project
http://www/cefreserch.com/matrix/index.html
The 52nd Battalion was raised in Northern Ontario in the spring of 1915, mobilzation headquarters at Port Arthur (Thunder Bay), Ontario. The Battalion joined the 9th Brigade, 3rd Canadian Division on Feb 23, 1916.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 11 June 10 03:42 BST (UK) »
I have checked all my sites for information on Thomas Mccracken serving in WW1 and I can't find anything. I put all known info into the search site at ancestry and I came up with census info for Scotland but nothing for military service. If he served in WW1, his records should be on file at the National Archives in London, unless they are some of the records that were destroyed in WW2. There is a Mccracken family tree on the ancestry site which lists the names you are searching. If this tree isn't yours, you may want to check it out to see what info it contains.
www. ancestry.co.uk

At this time I would suggest that you order Robert's military file to see what is in it.
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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 11 June 10 04:34 BST (UK) »
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp

under What is the Medal Rolls Index, go to search, enter Thomas McCracken - 19 names come up and some are from Scot Regiments.
I can't say for sure if any of these could be your Thomas but it is a starting point to find his military service in WW1.


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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 11 June 10 11:01 BST (UK) »
Gosh! I am so, so grateful to you for taking this interest in my puzzle. I shall have to make it a bit clearer though!
At 48 Princes Street,Ayr,lived my great grandparents,Thomas and Mary McCracken.They had several children.One of them,Mary Mccracken,was my granny who left Ayr with her husband to start a life in Port Arthur.There they had two children,my Uncle Fred and mum.

From the remaining children,Robert and Thomas both enlisted in the Canadian regiments I am searching for.The information I posted above is what my mum told me shortly before she died,so I have no one to verify details with,nor any written records to refer to. She was so proud that Robert,who was too young to enlist in a British Regiment,still wanted to help the war by joining a Canadian one instead.
He - I was told - was a motorbike despatch rider,who was bably injured and looked after by the regiment for the rest of his life in Canada.Isn't that amazingly generous?Mum told me that after he had joined up his other brother Thomas did the same,and I was always told that it too was a Canadian regiment,whether the same one or not,I was never told.Mum said that it was this Thomas who received the MM and DCM,although i am not sute what these are,or would have been awarded for!

I shall follow up the sites you gave me today,but I do know that Thomas ended his days in the Vancouver Cemetery.Assumed from this that he lived in Vancouver.I am so,so grateful for your help.I am completely new to all this and live in England.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 11 June 10 11:10 BST (UK) »
When you say he was "looked after by the reg." do you think he might have been in the Vets Hospital on Vancouver Isl?  If so, he'll probably be buried in the special cem there.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 June 10 11:32 BST (UK) »
Thank you,Charlotte,I didn't know there was a Veterans Hospital there,or a special cemetery - unless by that you mean Soldiers Plot in Mountain View Cemetery?Thomas is buried there,I believe.The puzzle just gets bigger and bigger!But with everyone's help I don't feel quite so overwhelmed.I am in England and not at all familiar with the resources available.  Thank you for your interest.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 11 June 10 16:23 BST (UK) »
Just to make sure we keep information straight. I believe it was Robert that was injured. If Robert was injured, it would probably be Veteran's affairs that would have taken care of him after the war and not the battalion. Although I am sure members that he served with would have helped in that regard as well. You mention that your grandparents were in the Port Arthur area. Do you know where they are buried, if in Canada, as that is probably where Robert is as well if he returned to Port Arthur (Thunder Bay) after WW1. Do you know if Robert returned to the Port Arthur area after the war. Do you have a time line for Robert's death within a few years. That may make it easier to search. Also can you give us your grandparents names. Just don't post names of the living on this site. If you think that info would help do it through the PM (personal message)

Some sites to search are Veterans Affairs for thunder Bay, the Royal Canadian Legions and the public library. Also the Thunder Bay Genealogical Society.
http://ogs.on.ca/thunderbay/
I still think I would order his miltary file. I think you may find it contains a lot of information.

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Re: Robert McCracken,what happened to you?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 June 10 16:28 BST (UK) »
Thomas McCracken

Mountain View Cemetery
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/NONMARKETOPERATIONS/MOUNTAINVIEW/contact.htm
Thomas C McCracken burial location HORNE 2/*/16/038/0004
They may be able to tell you if there is any other info on the stone if there is one and if anyone else if buried in the same plot.

Information that is needed to obtain his death certificate:
Thomas Cameron McCracken
1938/10/17, age 53, Vancouver
Reg. Number 1938-09-54 8337
Microfilm # B13163 (GSU#1953196)