Edward & Marie Jay

[tycho]

I would like to find out more about Edward Leonard Jay of 15 Waverley Road, Liverpool 17 who díed in 1940 in the presence of his wife Marie at the age of 71. He was a retired master tailor and is probably the Edward L. Jay who appears in the 1938 Kelly's trade directory as having a business at 72 Seel Street. I would especially like to know Marie's maiden name, if they had children and her death details. Or anything.

[avm228]

Hi

I notice that Edward L JAY was still in the phone book in 1956, address 15 Waverley Rd, Lark Lane, Liverpool 17.  Not bad for a chap who died in 1940! (Or was this a son?).

[CaroleW]

I would especially like to know Marie's maiden name, if they had children and her death details. Or anything.

Was Edward born in England as there is no birth or marriage recorded on freebmd and no listing on the 1911 census

There is no Marie/Maria Jay death in Lancs from 1940 onwards

[garstonite]

nothing on lan-opc for either Edward or Marie.....by the way...Waverely rd 2 miles from me....allan

[tycho]

Thank you each for your interest. AVM228, I guess his wife or another relative carried on living at Waverley Road without bothering to change the entry in the phone book, but it seems there is no death certificate for a Marie Jay.

My interest in Edward Leonard Jay is that he may (or may not) be my grandfather. My grandfather was born in Insterburg, East Prussia in 1871 as Edward Leopold (not Leonard) Jay, came to England as a tailor but was interned as an enemy alien for WW1. After that the trail goes cold and its just possible that he amended Leopold (too German?) to Leonard and re-married, settling and working in Liverpool.

[CaroleW]

There is no English marriage for him prior to or after 1918

If he was possibly your grandfather - doesn't your mother/fathers birth cert show both parents names

[avm228]

Can you tell us a bit more about Edward (obviously not mentioning anyone still living)?

 - when did he first arrive in England?
 - was his surname always JAY? (Doesn't sound very Prussian!)
 - presumably you know of at least one child of his if you are/may be a descendant?
 - if he was married before internment, who to (and when?) Might Marie be a nickname/new name for that wife, or have you evidence of his first wife's death?

[tycho]

Originally all I was told was that his name was Edward Leopold Johnson Jay and that he had been interned in WW1 and then separated from my grandmother Eliza. Later I found my father's birth certificate (London, 1907) but curiously the surname given was Johnson (no Jay). Through the Red Cross in Geneva I found where he had been interned (under the name Edward Leopold Jay) and that he had been born in Insterburg, East Prussia in 1871. Then in the 1911 census I found him (as Edward Leopold Jay) and Eliza and my father (their son aged 7) living in Newport where he was a master tailor.
But he and Eliza separated shortly after WW1 and I am wondering what happened to him. Of course, he could have gone say to the US or to Germany, or he may have lived in England. The 1940 death of an Edward Leonard Jay, a retired master tailor is intriguing but I would like to prove that it was him. He may have had another family with Marie Jay, I suppose.

[CaroleW]

in the 1911 census I found him (as Edward Leopold Jay) and Eliza and my father (their son aged 7) living in Newport where he was a master tailor.

I can't see any 1911 entry that is specifically Edward Leopold Jay - is it spelt correctly?

What is his birthyear and birthplace shown on the entry

How many years do they say they have been married as there is no obvious marriage

Was Eliza'a maiden name Johnson?