looking for the marriages for sister and brother Joseph and Maggie Hill Hawarden

[JeannieR]

Carolyn.......

Joseph Hill, enlisted in The Royal Irish Rifles, at Belfast on 16 12 1897......

His next of Kin were given as his brothers...

William , James and Peter of Old Bank Cottages, Queensferry, Flint ( I have them on the 1881/1891 census , His mother in 1901 was running a lodging house )

He married HANNAH HILL 10 7 1907 at the Parish Church , Bebbington . ( Very near Port Sunlight ) No children were recorded as being born, before he was discharged, after 12 years , 0n 15 12 1909

This may help you find him, no luck with Maggie as yet.

JeannieR

[carolynb]

Hi Jennie
Thanks for getting back to me this is all so new to me I have not heard about the army do you think you could give me the 1891 and 1901 details please I have looked at the 1881 and have them at Shotton lane ends 
thanks Carolyn

[JeannieR]

Hi Carolyn.....

1891 census

Shotton Lane End, Hawarden, Burnt Wood, Cheshire.

Maria Hill / head / widow / age 33 / born Northhop, Flintshire
Peter Hill / son / age 17 / collier / born Hawarden
James Hill / son / age 15 / potters assistant / born Hawarden
JOSEPH HILL / son / age 13 / potters assistant / born Hawarden
William Hill / son / age 11 / scholar / born Hawarden
Martha Hill / daughter / age 7 / scholar / born Hawarden
MAGGIE Hill / daughter / age 5 / born Hawarden.

Hope this helps for now. Will be back with the 1901 census.

I have been unable to find Joseph on the 1911 census, as yet, and I am wondering if he was at sea. His occupation when he joined The Army, was Sailor.....


JeannieR

[JeannieR]

Carolyn.....

As Promised...

1901 census

Pentre, Hawarden (Flint) Cheshire
Maria Hill / widow / age 43 / Lodging House Keeper / Born Northhop
+ 7 Lodgers
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Aston Road, Hawarden
William Hill / age 21 / Lodger /Bricklayers Assistant / born New Ferry
Ellen Jones / widow / head / age 53
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Pentre, Hawarden
James Hill / head / age 25 / labourer / born Hawarden
Sarah Elizabeth / wife / age 27 / born Hawarden
Mary Hill / daughter age 1 / born Hawarden
James Hill / son / age 3 weeks / born Hawarden
Elizabeth Alberta Griffiths / step daughter / age 5 / born Hawarden

10 years later, they are living in West Derby, with another son Thomas, who is 8

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[carolynb]

Hi Thank you so much for todays information

The other son Thomas in 1911 is my Grandfather

I see you found another sister Martha again I know nothing of her

My mother can remember William so I know of his two marriages and daughter
Peter died in 1888 and as far as I know did not marry someone in the family died when struck by lightening in the fields so that could have been him
She remembers Joseph and his sons but cant remember their names as she was quite young

It would be great to find Josephs family his sons may have carried the name on my grandad only had daughters and so did his brother James

Thanks again Carolyn

[JeannieR]

Continued

I have found a death registration for Peter Hill, registered 1899 at Chester.(He was still alive in 1891, so could not have died 1888 )

Cannot be certain about Maggie / Margaret, as there are so many.

Martha Hill was a 17 year old Domestic servant, at the home of Thomas and Sophie Linekar
14 Drummond Road, Hoylake cum West Kirby, Cheshire.

Martha married John Molyneux later that year. They settled at Pentre, Hawarden , and had three sons. John in 1903, Samuel in 1905, and Norman in 1908.

Hope this helps

JeannieR

[JeannieR]

Carolyn......

Is there any way, that your mum has got things mixed up a bit ?

I am sure that the Army Service records, for Joseph are the correct ones and that he married Hannah Hill in 1907. I have searched , searched and searched again, and cannot find this couple in the last census......

I have , however, found a death registration for a Joseph Hill, born 1878, died 1910, Registered at Wirral. This is the registration district for Port Sunlight......

Will PM you

JeannieR

[carolynb]

Hi sorry about the date I gave for Peter when I checked my notes I did in fact have the same date as you
Carolyn

[Paul]

The only baptisms I could see in Hawarden PR's for children of James & Mary Hill(Davison).

Born, Sep 29. Baptised, Oct 26 1873. Peter.
Born, Sep 4.  Baptised, Oct 10 1875. James.

Paul.