Newspaper archives- Liverpool Courier

[coombs]

Who were the witnesses on her marriage cert?

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Not sure if you have the 1881 census for her?  She is with sister Martha Emily living with her Uncle Edward Jones born Broughton Flintshire.  On this census her and Martha are shown as being born West Derby Lancashire.

As your Elizabeth Ann was born 17th March 1860 ish and the family were living in Toxteth Park on the 1861 census then she would in all probability have been registered West Derby not Liverpool.  There is also the fact that you could register a child up to six weeks after they were born so this could take you into the  April - June Quarter. 

Is this in your pile of unwanted Certificates? :
Elizabeth Ann Jones Registered West Derby June Quarter 1860 Volume 8b. page 373

By the way, I personally would not use the GRO in a case such as this.  I would contact the Liverpool Registration Office and explain the problem.  Most Registration Offices are far more helpful than the GRO. 

Failing that I would send for Martha Emilys birth certificate as suggested in the other topic.  This at least would give you the mothers maiden name.

Regards,
Mo

[sellio]

The marriage cert has the following details:
June 3rd 1889
witnesses: Elizabeth Ann Wainwright (William Wainwright's sister)
                  Henry Roberts ( no idea who he is)

married after banns which suggests they were in no especial hurry (as opposed to licence).

By a massive cooincidence, a week or so ago, someone contacted me with a suggestion that my Elizabeth Ann Jones could be the sister of his great grandmother.

His family, Bancroft, is the same family we are chasing here but the maiden name he has for Elizabeth Ann's mother is Elizabeth Edwards. When I looked this up on Free BMD it came up with no results so now I am wondering if this is the correct family after all.

I think the suggestion for the West Derby cert is a good one and I shall order that and see whatthat turns up.

Thank you again, all you fantastic helpers.

Sheila

[sellio]

 The man who may be a distant cousin of mine is e-mailing me a copy of Martha Emily's birth certificate although, for me, the clinch would be an Elizabeth Ann cert showing 17th March.
Sheila

[sellio]

I have just ordered the certificate 8b 373 and shall wait until that arrives. If that fails I may try 8b 35.
 

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Marriage at St. Clement, Toxteth Park 1857
William Jones and Elizabeth Edwards. 
See www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

They appear on the same page of marriages for Sept Quarter 1857 registered West Derby Lancashire Volume 8b page 683.

Regards,
Mo

[sellio]

Thanks Mo.

I looked through those the other day but I am still stuck on connecting Elizabeth's birth to the maiden name  of the mother, i.e. Edwards.

At the moment I am am checking the maiden names of the brides of William Jones' who were married in Liverpool from 1858 to 1860 (from BMD) then I'm checking the maiden names for a match with Elizabeth Ann and Jones. It's not been very successful so far!

 

[sellio]

I feel the need to run around the room screaming and cheering!!!!! It was 8b 373... you were right, Mo.

Today, the umpteenth birth cert arrived and it is THE ONE!

Elizabth Ann Jones, b. 17th March 1860 (so she did lie about her age when she got married!)... father William, plasterer and mother Elizabeth, maiden name Edwards,

Thankyou so much to all the wonderful helpers on roots chat. It has been a mightty long haul.
 

[mosiefish]

Hi,

I am so very pleased that hear that you have finally found her .   

I feel like celebrating with you.     Thank you for letting us all know.

Kind regards,
Mo