Reply to Cando 58
Yes thanks I must have reached the wrong spot. I will be more careful next time. I find some of these sites very difficult to negotiate, but I am learning

I am looking forward to seeing if Patrick was married but suspect that he was not.
It only remains now for me to find where John is buried. I am going to try The lilydale cemetery as suggested in am earlier post. I do not think he left the area but that is only surmise. No evidence.
Strange so few of them married. My grandfather seems to be the exception. He married twice and had 7 children. That is James of the photo3161