Michael SMITH Brushy Creek

[norag]

Thank you Cando and Logan
It gets better and better.  Who needs to read detective novels when there is all this real life to discover.

Now I am wondering if  Michael and Isabella had any children

Also who is the Joseph Smith of Lilydale who died 1872 ref 01186

Would he be a brother of our original Michael of Brushy Creek
Otherwise I can't see how he fits in.  Can you?

[cando]

Joseph T SMITH born c1872 is the son of Michael SMITH and Mary McNAMARA.

Isabella was married to Joseph T SMITH.

There do not appear to be any children to Joseph and Isabella.  They married in 1905 and he died 21st June 1906.

All the children of Michael and Mary will be listed on their death certificates.

It is possible to purchase and immediately download either Michael [1873] or Mary [1902] death certificates.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Information on Vic Certs
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Cando

[norag]

Re Joseph Smith He is not mentioned on the Census report from national archives

The children they had Michael in1863,
john 1863, James 1865
thomas 1866( he died soon after birth)
Edward 1866 ( maybe a different smith family? ) Edward thomas smith 1871
 patrick Daniel 1872
In the photo taken after  Michael's
there are 6 children

I need to   get those certificates.  Will do it tomorrow.

[LoganH]

The Argus Sat 23 June 1906 pg11
SMITH. - The Friends of the late JOSEPH SMITH are respectfully invited to follow his remains to their last resting - place, the Lilydale Cemetery.The funeral is appointed to leave his late resi- dence. To-morrow (Sunday), at 2 p.m.
BURTON and SONS, Undertakers, Lilydale. 
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10038462/344521?zoomLevel=3#pstart344521

[Appingirl]

Cando Logan Judb thanks so much for all the information, as I have said before this site has some amazing people willing to devote their time to help others. I will try and upload photo for Norag tomorrow.     
C

[cando]

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54

To search and download the files for Michael and Joseph SMITH.  Unfortunately Judith's link is no longer working.  The files are very slow to download but  Letters of Administration for Joseph mention his wife Isabelle.

Cheers
Cando

[norag]

Thank you. I continue to find out more. The death certificates are a great source of info aren't they. I read that Mary McNamara, wife of Michael Smith of Brushy Creek had been in  the colony 40 years when she died. That means she immigrated at age 16. That would be 1859 so that gives me a date to look at  Immigration lists.  Norag

[norag]

I am now trying to find out what happened to 3 of the children of Michael Smith of Brushy Creek( I have worked out the rest)
John Smith born Mooralbark, 1863   # 2946
 Edward Smith born Mooralbark 1866 #24224
 Patrick Daniel Smith born Lilydale 1872 # 24215

1,  did they stay in the area of Lilydale . Electoral Rolls maybe?
2. Did they marry and have families?
3  How can I get  Death, or marriage  certificates when I have no idea when or where they were?
 
 One of them , or a son of one of them, went to Western Australia, and stayed there. Apart  from that no family stories at all to account for their presence in the family. On their mother,Mary Smith  nee McNamara's death certificate there is a note after Edward's name but I cannot decipher it.

Norag

[cando]

Could you type up the details of issue, living and deceased from Mary's death certificate as you now seem convinced that Patrick Daniel SMITH is the son of Michael and Mary.  How many children were noted on Mary's death certificate then....six or seven?

The only Patrick Daniel SMITH who died in Victoria was the son of a Patrick and Mary Ann KAVANAGH and I have traced him on the electoral rolls with those parents.

Who went to Western Australia?

Can you post the portion of the certificate that contains the words you can't read following Edward's name.  Does it refer to living or deceased or unknown?

How can I get  Death, or marriage  certificates when I have no idea when or where they were?

norag

Welcome the difficulties of researching one's family history    We have all been there and it is frustrating and for you made all the more difficult with the surname SMITH.  Perhaps you could go to a library which has the Diggers Indexes in their resources and you could trawl the SMITH deaths for your people by attempting to match the ages with the years of birth of the three men....but perhaps they died interstate.

Sorry about all the questions but it is difficult to help you with only snippets of the information you have found.

Someone else may have some ideas....I hope so.

Cheers
Cando