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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #189 on: Monday 13 February 12 16:43 GMT (UK) »

I kind of got caught-up in sending you Prosser info and forgot that you were actually looking for Musgrave info.

This is as close as I can get to Thomas Musgrave...... his youngest daughter.... ,my wife's great grandmother.

See below.

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #190 on: Monday 13 February 12 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bob

Have you any further info on the family bible of the Prosser family?

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #191 on: Monday 13 February 12 19:17 GMT (UK) »
I do have additional info.  I would be glad to share it with you but I don't want to post it one piece at a time.  How can I get an email address to you so that I can supply all of the info at once? One file is 9,000 kb.

On my 1st post I included an email address and the webmaster deleted it. The email was created specifically to use for getting info to you. I was aware that thousands may see it but I don't care since I can delete it at any time.  It was possner dot family at comcast dot net.
 

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #192 on: Monday 13 February 12 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much for sharing the info. I have pm'd you my email addy.

Good to get info on the Prosser family as well as the Musgrave and Saix.

Thomas Musgrave born Dec 1827 died about 1906-April 1910. He was dead by the 1910 US census I think as he never returned to the UK and he is probably buried at Robinson Run Cemetery, Allegheny, PA.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #193 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 05:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bob: Just thought I'd say welcome to Rootschat. If you've read through the whole 20 pages of this thread, you've found out that I have been helping Ben (Coombs) with his search for his 3x great grandfather Thomas Musgrave. I'm not related Thomas Musgrave or Ben. I simply know Allegheny County and Washington County, Pennsylvania very well.

If my calculation is correct, Thomas Musgrave is your wife's 2x great grandfather, which means that she and Ben here are fourth cousins once or twice or three times removed. Or something like that.

Have you not found any Prossers still living in Carnegie? According to the Social Security Death Index, Roy Prosser, born Mar. 24, 1919, was living in Carnegie at the time of his death in January 1975 (assuming there was only one Roy Prosser born and raised in Carnegie).

Regards,
John  :o :o :o

ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #194 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Good to get a contact from another person researching the Prosser and Musgrave families.

Margaret Miller, formerly Prosser nee Musgrave died on the 9th February 1961. her obituary was kindly shared by Bob to me. It just gives a few details on her children and such.

Thomas Prosser died December 29 1906 so died within the year range of his father in law Thomas Musgrave. Bob posted his obituary to me which just says he came to America when young. I am hoping that there is an obituary for Thomas Musgrave in one of the papers for the Allegheny area.

Thomas Musgrave was an American resident for 20 years from 1886 to his death c1906-1909ish. He was described as "al" on the 1900 census so was not naturalised. I dont think at 72 he would have been considering becoming an American citizen. Small chance he may have done but unlikely. Now we have found death dates for Robert Wilson and Thomas Prosser the net will hopefully be closing in on Thomas Musgrave.

Johnnyboy as the house Thomas was living at with his daughter, son in law and grandchildren was for miners I wonder if it would have been a 1 storey house or a 2 storey house? The 1900 census does not give obvious details on the street the house was down, just North fayette Township Ward 5. I assume many of the roads were not named or the enumerator did not enter the name of the roads.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #195 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Johnnyboy

Seems some 1906 onwards PA deaths have been indexed now.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/public_records/20686

Hi anyone

It does not see complete as there is no mention of Thomas Prosser's death, Elizabeth Sutherland's 1911 one, Robert Sutherland's 1906 one or Thomas Musgrave's 1906-1910 one. This must just be a partial index of deaths.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #196 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 22:06 GMT (UK) »
...as the house Thomas was living at with his daughter, son in law and grandchildren was for miners I wonder if it would have been a 1 storey house or a 2 storey house? The 1900 census does not give obvious details on the street the house was down, just North fayette Township Ward 5. I assume many of the roads were not named or the enumerator did not enter the name of the roads.

Hi Ben: Unfortunately, it's impossible for me to tell you what sort of housing Thomas Musgrave lived in at the time of the 1900 U.S. census. If you have access to the actual census page on which he was enumerated, you might be able to tell something about his housing status from the number of people with whom he was counted. On the left of the census page, entries are numbered in two or three ways. Look at the column heading at the top of the page (they read sideways) and you might be able to figure out when one dwelling and its occupants ends and the next one begins.

Street, road, and avenue names are also frequently written in the far left margin of the census page (reading sideways). If you can see the census page on Ancestry, you might have to click through to preceding or following pages to find any names. If you find any street or road names and can post them, I might be able to track the location down with my Pennsylvania Atlas.

If you want to see what some more-recently built (since the 1910s or 1920s) miners' housing looks like, you can go to http://www.coalcampusa.com/westpa/index.html. You'll reach the page for mines in the Western Pennsylvania Coalfields. Click on the Pittsburgh Field, which includes Allegheny and Washington Counties.

On the map, directly under the word Pittsburgh, you'll see the Champion Mine. There is a possibility that is where Thomas Musgrave's son-in-law was employed. It is on the northeastern edge of McDonald.

As you scroll down, you can click around to various mines but you should look at the Morris Mine, which is close to McDonald, as is the Montour Mine No. 2.

You'll notice that the miners' houses in any particular village or town are identical to one another. Some are one-story, others two. The two-story houses frequently are duplexes, meaning two families living side by side. Many of the houses have been covered with white aluminum or vinyl siding. When they were built, they were wood frame. Later many of them were covered with asphalt shingles (flexible and rubbery). Those shingles were red, green, or yellow. Some looked like brickwork, while others had a hexagonal shape. The aluminum after 1948, when the state of Pennsylvania forced mining companies to sell their housing. Usually the occupants bought them.

Let me know if you find anything on the street names.

Regards,
John :o :o :o


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ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #197 on: Friday 17 February 12 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ben: I had a look yesterday at the 1900 census pages for North Fayette Township. There are no street or road names written on the census pages that might help to narrow down where Thomas Musgrave and his daughter's family were living. The population of the township was about 2,500 then. That population was spread over an areas of 25 square miles, and there might have been a dozen or two dozen coal mines in that area in 1900.

John  :o :o :o
ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts