Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.

[johnnyboy]

I also want to access the full details of Elizabeth Wilson's 1887 wedding to Robert Sutherland in Allegheny and Margaret Musgrave's marriage in September 1889 to Thomas Prosser in Carnegie, Allegheny. How would I go about doing that as I got the info off IGI.

Hi Ben: First the old business. Unfortunately, I did not see this last post of yours until today (Jan. 7). The IGI marriages of Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson and Margaret Musgrave were compiled by the Western Pennsylvania Genealogical Society in Pittsburgh from the records of the Pittsburgh Board of Health (now defunct). At some point the WPGS records were microfilmed. The LDS eventually obtained them and "extracted" the original marriage information.

You can see the Film Notes on the LDS site by going here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=257622&disp=Ministers%27+returns+of+marriages+perfor++.

Regards,
John 

[johnnyboy]

Hi again Ben: Now the new business. While I was visiting Pennsylvania for Christmas, I went to the Carnegie Library in Pittsburgh. In the Pennsylvania Room there, I found an index to the "registration of deaths in Allegheny County, 1893-1905." The index is a transcription of deaths recorded by Allegheny County.

Thomas Musgrave was not listed in the index. That means he died in 1906 (when deaths began to be registered with the state of Pennsylvania) or later. The place of his death becomes an open question again. It occurred in either Allegheny County or Washington County.

The easiest way to proceed may be to order Thomas' death certificate from the state of Pennsylvania. The folks who issue death and birth certificates will do a search of three years for a fee over and above the cost of the certificate. I believe that the total cost for a certificate and a search of three years is $35 (U.S.). The exact cost is on the website of the Pennsylvania Department of Health.

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

Thanks for that.

Although I did think that 1904 and 1905 were missing from that index or was that another index?

Again many thanks for helping me. I shall have to order his death cert. So he was at least 78 when he died so he lived longer than most of his siblings. So he died inbetween Jan 1906 and the 1910 census.

Ben

[coombs]

I also want to access the full details of Elizabeth Wilson's 1887 wedding to Robert Sutherland in Allegheny and Margaret Musgrave's marriage in September 1889 to Thomas Prosser in Carnegie, Allegheny. How would I go about doing that as I got the info off IGI.

You can see the Film Notes on the LDS site by going here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=257622&disp=Ministers%27+returns+of+marriages+perfor++.

Regards,
John 

Hi John. I cant see to access the info. I get an error message from the site.

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: Two things.

First, the link above, to the LDS site, is merely a link to the descriptive notes about the microfilms of the Allegheny County marriage records. It's not a link to any records. Sorry if I created any confusion in that regard.

Second, if you want to see the film notes, you have to copy the entire link (all the way to "perfor++"). For some reason or other the whole link is not live in my post.

I think ordering Thomas Musgrave's death certificate is a good idea. Make sure you note that you are a lineal descendant. Pennsylvania requires that you be related to the person whose certificate you are seeking.

Keep us posted on developments.

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Hi John

So the 1893-1905 death registers are quite complete then? So Thomas died inbetween January 1906 and the April 1910 census. He must have still be alive and kicking when his son in law died in 1906, in which Thomas had been in America for 20 years.

The registers should solve his death date once and for all.

Ben

[coombs]

I have downloaded a multiple year search form and shall fill it out and send it off although they require you give at least a county of death and he could have died in Washington or Allegheny.

Good that his death details are getting closer and we have a good idea of where he is buried. If he was still alive at the end of 1907 he'd have been just 80.

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: Rootschat didn't notify me of your reply, so I only saw this post just now.

I telephoned the Pennsylvania Division of Vital Records in New Castle, Pa. (the place where you are going to send your application for the certificate) and spent 10 minutes on the phone with two different people getting some answers and clarification of what's required on the application for the multi-year search.

I am sending you a personal message with what I learned from the folks at the Division of Records.

For everyone else reading this, I'm sorry that I'm not posting any advice here. The people I spoke with at the Pennsylvania Division of Vital Records were polite and down-to earth. I'm sure they'll get Ben what he wants. (End of PR for my home state.)

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

Got your PM. Thanks a lot for all this. His death is closing in on us. he would have been alive to hear of his brothers death in 1905 in Indiana. 

Ben