Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.

[johnnyboy]

Hi again, Ben: I neglected, when I posted the pictures and all of the burial information, to include Margaret Sutherland's year of death. It was 1908.

Regards again,
John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnnyboy

I dont think Thomas was naturalised. He was an AL (alien) in 1900 and aged 72 by then I dont think he bothered later on.

I can add Margaret's death to my tree. Thomas would have been 80 if still alive in 1908. December 1907 would have been his 80th birthday. I think he died in Allegheny inbetween 1900-1905 or Washington inbetween 1906-1910. Not Washington 1900-1905 or Allegheny 1906-1910 judging by the info you have given.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi Johhnyboy

I have been perusing this thread and I did think that Robert Sutherland died in March 1906 in McDonald, Washington but as you said some of the town was in North Fayette Township, Allegheny.

And a child of John and Mary Ellen Wilson Saix died in March 1902 of Belgium Hill which I have found is in Cecil Bishop near McDonald.

When Mary married in 1901 she must have been in the McDonald area them moved a few miles of Belgium Hill. Elizabeth Sutherland is with her in 1900 as was Thomas Musgrave. And in 1910 Elizabeth is back living with her.

My thoughts are that perhaps Mary left home in 1901 and moved to Belgium Hill when she married and Robert Sutherland, Elizabeth, James and elderly Thomas Musgrave lived together in the McDonald region of North Fayette Township.  So it does look like the Sutherland's and Thomas lived in Allegheny up until at least March 1906 when Robert died. Elizabeth probably then moved back with her married daughter.

So if Thomas Musgrave died before January 1906 he probably died in Allegheny and if after January 1906 perhaps Allegheny or Washington.

I cannot remember the town Elizabeth Sutherland lived at in the 1910 census. It says Washington but was it in the town itself or was it in the Washington district?

Ben

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: I just saw your post. Rootschat isn't notifying me of replies.

If Elizabeth Sutherland was enumerated in the 1910 census as living in Washington, that means she was living in Washington proper. There isn't a "district," as such, outside of Washington. Any areas around Washington are townships, and the census enumeration would have listed that at the top of the census form.

If you go to Elizabeth Sutherland's enumeration in 1910, you might see street names written in a narrow column the left margin of the page. Street names were frequently written from the bottom toward the top. You may have to go to a preceding or following page to see a street name.

John 

 

[johnnyboy]

Hi Ben: On a related topic: It just occurred to me that when you first posted about Elizabeth Sutherland's obituary way back when, the place of her death was in the "East End." I originally took that to mean that she died in the city of Washington. I was thinking of East Washington, which I thought was a part of Washington but is actually a separate borough that borders Washington.

But Elizabeth Sutherland's obituary appeared in the McDonald newspaper, and "East End" refers to the eastern part of McDonald, the part lying in Allegheny County. If you find McDonald on a map, you'll find an "East End Park."

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Where my ancestor lived in 1900 was North Fayette 5th precinct which I now think was in the Allegheny area of McDonald. What I want to do is try and find a census enumeration district as that might pin down. There was no street name listed so it must have been a mining house down a dirt track.

My bet is Thomas died in Allegheny if his daughter was there in 1906 when Robert died. I think I had better just write to the State archives to see if he did die after Janaury 1906.

[johnnyboy]

My bet is Thomas died in Allegheny if his daughter was there in 1906 when Robert died. I think I had better just write to the State archives to see if he did die after Janaury 1906.

Hi Ben: I looked at the website of the Pennsylvania Department of Health (which issues birth and death certificates starting from 1906). There is a $25 charge (plus $9 for a certificate) for a multi-year search covering two to ten years. For Thomas Musgrave, the search would probably cover 1906 and the next four years, including 1910, for a total of five years.

John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

As said Thomas could have died any time inbetween 1 June 1900 at the time of the census and April 1910 by the time of the next census but I am sure we will find his death. If they cannot find a death inbetween Jan 1906 and 1910 then he must have died before January 1906. I am sure he died in North Fayette Township at home although there is a small chance He may even have died in a hospital.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi Johnny

I hope you read this latest message soon.

Thomas's brother Nathan Musgrave was in Indiana in the 1900 US census and the Anc Indiana Death Indexes has a Nathan Musgrave dying in Indiana in 1905. I dont have a full sub to Anc to access the full details. I hope to also find an obituary for Nathan on the off chance it might mention Thomas if he was still alive ie "he is survived by a brother" or at least the number of siblings that would be a good clue.

I also want to access the full details of Elizabeth Wilson's 1887 wedding to Robert Sutherland in Allegheny and Margaret Musgrave's marriage in September 1889 to Thomas Prosser in Carnegie, Allegheny. How would I go about doing that as I got the info off IGI.

Ben