Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.

[felipe45]

Dear Ben and John,
I am related to the Saix Family in Washington County and can give you information. It is spelled Saix or Saixe

John Saix mother is Delphine Legal born October 22, 1850 in Pradell - Gard France near Nimes.

She married Jules Saix  (Born: January 1845 to Died: September 27, 1907). He is  of the same area of France and they moved to the USA in 1872.

They lived in McDonald, Washington County, PA.

At the time  of death she had 4 children: Harry (Henry), John, Ellen and Blanche.

I can give you more information if you want it.  Phil

Aug. 15, 1941 Obits McDonald Record-Outlook


SAIX,

John SAIX, 66, died Saturday, August 9, 1941, in his home in Carnegie. The
SAIX family resided in the house now occupied by the Arthur ROSENCRANSEs,
Roosevelt avenue, McDonald.
He had been a conductor on the Pennsylvania railroad for thirty years and
was a member of the Brotherhood of Railway Trainmen.
He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Mary Ellen WILSON SAIX; three daughters:
Mrs. Thelma HUNT, Mrs. Lillian RAHNED, and Mrs. Berdina MACK, all of
Carnegie; one son, John SAIX, Jr., of Carnegie; two sisters: Mrs. Blanche
KINNEY of Beaver Falls and Mrs. Helen RICHERT of Cecil, and one brother,
Harry SAIX of Fannie street, McDonald.
Funeral services were held Tuesday afternoon in a Carnegie funeral home.
Burial was in Robinson's Run cemetery.

SAIXE, March 21, 1902 McDonald Record


SAIXE,

An infant child of John SAIXE of Belgium Hill died Saturday evening and was
buried Monday afternoon. Funeral services were conducted by Rev. W. D.
IRONS. The interment was at Arlington cemetery.

[johnnyboy]

Hi Phil: Welcome to Rootschat. I'm sure Ben will be thrilled to see your post.

As you can see, this search has taken lots of twists and turns. Ben's original query was about his ancestor, great-great-great grandfather Thomas Musgrave. If you are directly descended from John Saix and Mary Ellen Wilson Saix, then you would also be related to Thomas Musgrave, who was Mary Ellen Wilson Saix's grandfather. Does any of your information go back to him?

I think Thomas Musgrave is buried in Robinson Run Cemetery in Macdonald--in a grave plot that his daughter, Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson Sutherland, bought when her first husband, Thomas Wilson, died. But Thomas Musgrave is not listed in the cemetery ledgers.

By the way, my interest in this is that I know Washington County. I grew up in the eastern part of Washington County, on the Monongahela River.

Don't tell Ben this, but I will be in Washington County later this week and part of next week. If the weather cooperates, he might get pictures from Robinson Run Cemetery.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't note that Sandra has contributed immensely to helping Ben gather information.

Regards,
John 

[coombs]

Hi Felipe.

Glad to hear from you. 

Johnnyboy you say Thomas is not listed in the ledgers but didn't you say that even though the 8 graves are filled that the ledgers only list who bought the grave?

Ben

[coombs]

Thomas Musgrave stop being a spoilsport and let me know when you died. 

I will not stop until I have found his death. If I have to fly over to America to do research then so be it. I am sure an obituary will have been held or a will and if he died after January 1906, a death cert.

In 1900 he is in North Fayette, PA. His son in law was a stationary engineer. Thomas was 72 and he is listed as "Gent" it seems. Does that mean he lived off his savings or something?

[johnnyboy]

Ben:

"Gent." probably meant that he was retired. Think of a nattily dressed man sporting a cane as he perambulates about the bustling oil and coal metropolis that was McDonald, circa 1890s to 1900.

McDonald's library (Heritage Library) has a website. Nothing much on it, but it is the closest town to where Thomas Musgrave was living in 1900. I found an e-mail address if you want to contact the library. McDonald's newspaper may have an obituary for Thomas, but you're looking at ten years' worth of searching.

The e-mail address is heritagelibrary@comcast.net.

John 

[coombs]

Sporting a cane?

When you talk about the ledgers does that ledger only mention who bought the grave?

[johnnyboy]

Sporting a cane?

When you talk about the ledgers does that ledger only mention who bought the grave?

Hi Ben: By ledger I simply was referring to the burial registers. I haven't seen them, so I can't tell you what they contain. But when I spoke with the woman at Robinson Run Cemetery, she mentioned two different record books that she was consulting.

As for the cane. Yes, "sporting a cane." Carrying it stylishly. That's what gentlemen do with a cane. At least they did circa 1890, 1900. At least I think they did.

John   

[coombs]

Hi John

You did say the ledgers may not be complete and the info can be vague.

Thomas must have spent his final years in the family miners home in PA sitting in the garden in summer sipping ale or reading a paper and sitting by the fire in winter as I did hear PA winters were quite bad.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi

If Thomas was retired I would think he lived off savings wouldn't you?

He moved to the USA from England in 1886, docking in September and his daughter bought a grave plot in October the following month. Maybe she bought it when her father arrived and he was guaranteed a place in one of the graves for when he passed on.

He arrived in September 1886, just in time for the cold winter of 1886 and Christmas.

Ben