Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.

[coombs]

She married Robert Sutherland in December 1887 in Allegheny, Pennsylvania. James must have been her first child with Robert. Her first husband must have died about 1886 and from what Johnny has said Elizabeth bought a grave in October that year which we believe Thomas Musgrave is buried.

[coombs]

Pity the 1890 census doesn't survive. Maybe she did have another child or two with Robert and they died. Anyway when I am in America next time I shall try and visit PA and even Robinson Run.

I am sure we will find the remaining 3 children of Elizabeth. She may have had one in about 1883 inbetween the births of Elizabeth and Mary.

[johnnyboy]

Just a confirmation of Ruth Saix which John found for you.

SSDI Record

Name: Rita C. Saix
Born: 1 Jan 1916
Died: 31 Mar 2008
Last Residence: 15205  Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

and John Saix

Name: John T. Saix
Born: 14 May 1914
Died: 1 Sep 1993 
Last Residence: 16720  Austin, Potter, Pennsylvania, United States of America

Here's a link to a brief obit for Rita Saix that appeared on a Potter County, Pennsylvania website. She and John Saix seem to be buried in Austin, Potter County, Pennsylvania. Potter County is 160 miles northeast of Pittsburgh.

http://www.endeavornews.com/news/2008-04-12/obits/021.html

Here's a link to another obituary for Rita Saix (wife of John T. Saix, who was Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson's grandson?). This obit appeared in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette newspaper in April 2008. Crafton, where Rita Saix died, is a borough that borders Pittsburgh on the west.

The obit is 124 words long, so it may contain names of children, probably living. To view the obit costs $2.95 (two pounds?), and there is a guest book with two entries that is included in the cost.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary-search.aspx?daterange=99999&firstname=rita&lastname=saix&countryid=1&stateid=49&affiliateid=717

John 

[johnnyboy]

I noticed all of the census information for Thomases that has been posted since I last was online. I may not have mentioned that there may be a grave in Robinson Run Cemetery for Joseph L. Thomas, wife Elizabeth ((Elizabeth Musgrave's daughter and died about 1941), and several others who seem to be their children or their grandchildren or possibly the children of John Thomas and his wife Anna (Elizabeth Musgrave's daughter).

Gary Thomas died 2009/10 (obit in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)
His wife Phyllis McCracken Thomas died 2009 (mentioned in above obit)
Mildred Thomas died between 1992 and 1994
William J. Thomas died 1926
Susan Thomas 1932.

Take these with proverbial grain of salt and add a lump of sugar. They all need more investigation to confirm.

John 

[johnnyboy]

Don't know if this is relevant, but here is an obit for Thelma Saix Hunt from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette from 2001. Turtle Creek, where she lived, is a few miles from Munhall, where Joseph L. Thomas and wife Elizabeth and children were living in 1920 and 1930.

HUNT, THELMA M. (SAIX)
Age 95, on August 25, 2001 of Turtle Creek; wife of the late Thomas D. Hunt; mother of William J. Hunt and Norma J. Matheys, both of Turtle Creek and Barry W. Hunt of Fairfield IA; also five grandchildren and three great-grandchildren. Friends received Monday 2-4 & 7-9 pm at the JOBE FUNERAL HOME, INC., corner Shaw & Triboro Ave. Turtle Creek, where service will be Tuesday at 10 am. (Member of the Senior Citizens at the Human Service Center).

John 

[coombs]

Hi Johnnyboy

Thanks for the new info.

So there could well be another family plot for the family at RRC. As said I think that is the were the grave of Thomas Musgrave is.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi

I had a dream last night about Thomas's last known residence in England before emigrating. Lintz Colliery, Tanfield, Durham. His wife died in December 1885 and buried on 31 December. Thomas emigrated when the ship he was on sailed in late August 1886. If his eldest had bought a grave in October 1886 then that was just after Thomas arrived in America. Maybe now her father had joined her over there she bought the plot and he was guaranteed a grave there for when he was to die but as said she may have lost her first hubby or a child around the time as well.

Ben

[patbern39]

Thanks for that.

[coombs]

Are you a relative?

Thomas Musgrave, your death details can run but they can't hide.