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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 10 June 10 22:51 BST (UK) »
So in 1910 he has been widowed and married again. Sarah Wilson must have died 1904/5. No wonder you want to see more Pennsylvania Deaths on the Index.

1910 Smith, Washington, Pennsylvania

Thomas W Wilson 37 Marriage 2. Married 5 years. Coal Mine Machinist
Mary A Wilson 37 Had 3 children and 3 survive + Thomas's 2 from 1st marriage.
Lilly M Wilson 14
Thomas W Wilson 12
Elizabeth S Wilson 3
John R Wilson 2
William Wilson 22 months.
Thomas J Munroe 39 Boarder
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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 10 June 10 22:55 BST (UK) »
1920 Census South Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

Thomas W Wilson 47 Immigrated 1881 Naturalized 1900. Electrician Manufacturing Co.
Mary Wilson 47
Elizabeth S Wilson 18
Thomas Jr Wilson 23 Labourer on Railroad.
John R Wilson 11
William Wilson 9
 
 
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« Reply #65 on: Thursday 10 June 10 23:04 BST (UK) »
1930 Census Smith, Washington, Pennsylvania

Thomas Wilson 57 Owns Own Home $3500. Married at 23 yrs. Travelling Salesman for mine supplies
Mary A Wilson 55 Married at 31 years.
Elizabeth Wilson 23 Teacher at Public School
John Wilson 22 Labourer Machine Shop
William Wilson 20
 
 
 
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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #66 on: Friday 11 June 10 10:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks. Would Thomas have been on a WW1 Draft registration card?

I think he was born in May 1873 in Coundon, Durham.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #67 on: Friday 11 June 10 11:30 BST (UK) »
WW1 Draft

Thomas William Wilson. Born 22 Dec 1899. Bidger/Bulger  ??? Washington. PA
Labourer for PCC & St LRR Co  ??? Carnegie. Allegheny. PA
Nearest relative:- Mrs. Mary A Wilson
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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #68 on: Friday 11 June 10 16:38 BST (UK) »
Hi

That must be his son Thomas Jnr.

I think Elizabeth Musgrave later Wilson emigrated in late 1880 or early 1881. I have tried passenger lists but as yet no luck. Thomas W Wilson was about 5 and her first husband was Robert Wilson.

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Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #69 on: Friday 11 June 10 18:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Ben and Dettori: I see much has been added to this thread that I didn't get notified from Rootschat to read. I think if you miss viewing one reply, you get cut out of the loop, as they say at the White House and in other places where it is important to be in the loop.

To cut to the chase. I believe I have located Thomas Musgrave's place of burial. Unfortunately, there is no gravestone and some of this is deduction, but...read on.

Telephoned Robinson's Run Cemetery this morning. On Oct. 29, 1886 Mrs. E. Wilson purchased a burial lot (Section OP, Lot 134) containing eight graves. That would be Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson. All of the graves are filled.

I believe that one of the plots might have been for Elizabeth Musgrave's first husband, Thomas Wilson, who may have died in 1886. The cemetery has no record of Thomas Wilson being buried in 1886, but who else would Elizabeth have bought the grave plot for? Perhaps a child?

Another grave was for Robert Sutherland, Elizabeth's second husband, buried 1906, according to an obituary posted on the Robinson's Run Cemetery page of the Allegheny County, Pennsylvania PAGENWEB website.

A third grave was for Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson Sutherland herself, buried in 1911, according to an obit on the same web page.

None of these graves have tombstones on them.

Since Thomas Wilson (and/or another relative, poss. a child) may have been buried in 1886 and Robert and Elizabeth Sutherland were buried 1906 and 1911, it stands to reason that a close relative dying between 1886 and 1911 would also be buried in one of graves. That would include Thomas Musgrave, father of Elizabeth and father-in-law of both Thomas Wilson and Robert Sutherland.

The cemetery does not have an entry for a burial for Thomas Musgrave, but the records in the early 1900s are spotty, according to the cemetery office.

Another grave lot (Section 8, Lot 115) has more relatives. There are six graves, but only three burials. All of these graves have stones.

Mary Ellen Wilson Saix, Elizabeth's daughter from her first marriage, was buried there in 1962. Her husband John Saix is buried there (date of burial not mentioned) and James Sutherland (died in the city of Elkins, West Virginia) was buried in 1952. He is the son of Elizabeth Musgrave Wilson Sutherland.

So I think we have answered the question of where Thomas Musgrave is buried. Probably as well as it is going to be answered, unless new information emerges.

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ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #70 on: Friday 11 June 10 18:55 BST (UK) »
Hi again: The widow of John T. Saix, born 1914, died Austin, PA. 1993, was Rita Saix, nee Heim, born 1916. She died in 2008 in Pittsburgh, and there is an obit online in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. However, one must pay for it.

John T. Saix must have moved to Potter County for work. Possibly his father got him a job with a railroad.

As for the Prossers: They might be a line to pursue. Carnegie, which I know well and is the town where they resided, is only about ten miles from McDonald, where I think the Sutherlands lived when Robert was a coal miner.

In 1890 to 1940, there was rail service from Washington, Pa. to Pittsburgh that would have passed through McDonald and Carnegie. There was also trolley service until the 1950s(?) or so.

I remember reading about the death of Skip Prosser in 1907, but I had no idea that he was from Carnegie.

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ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: Thomas Musgrave. Death help please. Pennsylvania.
« Reply #71 on: Friday 11 June 10 18:59 BST (UK) »
Hi John

Wow. Although out of the 8 graves filled we only know about 6 names dont we? I do know that Robert Sutherland's mother Margaret went out to America in 1893 and remained there. So there are two or 3 more unknown relatives buried in that grave plot?

When they said the burials are spotty, do they mean the records of burials themselves? If so then I wonder what years do survive?

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain