Thomas Loveday married Elizabeth Davie s in Cardiff 1890 ( COMPLETE)

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It appears that Thomas Smith aged 14, is actually Thomas Loveday born 1867, that would also fit in with Thomas's marriage where he shows his father as John.  However Martha and John were not married at the time and he has been given her name LOVEDAY.

There is no death in the UK for Thomas and not anywhere on UK 1911 census.The only remaining one is emigration.  I know he was here in 1901 but gone by 1907, is there anyway I can search migration records easily please.

Unbelievably I've just got some info from Barnados which links to this Martha, thank you.

Barnados have told me that A Mrs HOLLAND, the paternal grandmother of Eliza J Loveday looked after Eliza, following her mother Elizabeths death in 1907.  Mrs Holland ( Martha Loveday) handed Eliza back to Lawrence Galvin within 12 months, Galvin then placed her in the care of Barnados !

Therefore I think that Thomas is Thomas H Loveday born 1867 (Jan -Mar) in the workhouse to Martha, father not shown on birth cert!

I'm not sure how I get martha's birth and parents

On one of your threads, you mentioned a birth reg with Martha as mother. Possible marriage for Martha

Martha Loveday dec qtr 1870 Highworth vol 5a pg 36 to either John Legg or John Smith

1871 Upper Stratton, Wilts RG10/1879 folio 33 pg 35
John Smith head mar 56 farm labourer
Martha wife 24
both born Stratton St Margaret

1881 Hag Lane, Swindon RG11/2020 folio 47 pg 17
William Holland head mar 25 general labourer b. Somerset, Crudwell (?)
Martha wife 30 tailoress b. Wiltshire, Stratton
Thomas Smith son 14  plough boy ag labourer b. Stratton
John Smith son 8 b. Stratton

Looks like Martha may have 'lost' a few years on meeting a younger man.

remarriage
Martha Smith dec qtr 1881 Highworth vol 5a pg 49 with William Holland on the same page
more than one possible death reg for John Smith in Highworth that would fit.

Haven't found Thomas in 1871 as yet.

 

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either of Martha's marriage certificates which give you her father's name & occupation. I'm think she lost a few years when she married William Holland. This could be her in 1851

Stratton St, Lower Stratton HO107/1833 folio 245 pg 13
Johnathan Loveday head mar  36 ag lab b. Wilts, Bishopston
Elizabeth wife 32 b. Stratton
John son 10 b. Stratton
Martha dau 8 b. Stratton
Susanah dau 5 b. Stratton

Martha Loveday march qtr 1843 Swindon vol 8 pg 342

parents' marriage
Jonathan Loveday june qtr 1841 Swindon vol 8 pg 535 with Elizabeth Joram on the same page

Unless she's the Martha registered march qtr 1849 Swindon vol 8 pg 373
haven't found her as yet in 1851.

Martha in 1891
7 Pys St, New Swindon RG12/1585 folio 61 pg 34
William Holland head mar 34 brickyard lab b. Som, Crudwell
Martha wife 39 b. Wilts, Stratton
Albert Edward son 6 b. Glam, Cardiff
William James son 1 b. Swindon

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Many thanks.
I've found a death for a Martha Holland aged 60 in 1909 (Jan - March), I know she was alive in 1907 as she had child Eliza but gave child back to Galvin in 1908 - ill??  Thomas is Thomas Henry LOVEDAY, I've odered his birth cert .
I cant find Thomas aged 3 anywhere. I think I'll have to go for the Holland marriage cert.

either of Martha's marriage certificates which give you her father's name & occupation. I'm think she lost a few years when she married William Holland. This could be her in 1851

Stratton St, Lower Stratton HO107/1833 folio 245 pg 13
Johnathan Loveday head mar  36 ag lab b. Wilts, Bishopston
Elizabeth wife 32 b. Stratton
John son 10 b. Stratton
Martha dau 8 b. Stratton
Susanah dau 5 b. Stratton

Martha Loveday march qtr 1843 Swindon vol 8 pg 342

parents' marriage
Jonathan Loveday june qtr 1841 Swindon vol 8 pg 535 with Elizabeth Joram on the same page

Unless she's the Martha registered march qtr 1849 Swindon vol 8 pg 373
haven't found her as yet in 1851.

Martha in 1891
7 Pys St, New Swindon RG12/1585 folio 61 pg 34
William Holland head mar 34 brickyard lab b. Som, Crudwell
Martha wife 39 b. Wilts, Stratton
Albert Edward son 6 b. Glam, Cardiff
William James son 1 b. Swindon

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Is there anyway I can copy off the info I am being given as its really difficult trying to look back at posts while trying to do searches. Thank you

either of Martha's marriage certificates which give you her father's name & occupation. I'm think she lost a few years when she married William Holland. This could be her in 1851

Stratton St, Lower Stratton HO107/1833 folio 245 pg 13
Johnathan Loveday head mar  36 ag lab b. Wilts, Bishopston
Elizabeth wife 32 b. Stratton
John son 10 b. Stratton
Martha dau 8 b. Stratton
Susanah dau 5 b. Stratton

Martha Loveday march qtr 1843 Swindon vol 8 pg 342

parents' marriage
Jonathan Loveday june qtr 1841 Swindon vol 8 pg 535 with Elizabeth Joram on the same page

Unless she's the Martha registered march qtr 1849 Swindon vol 8 pg 373
haven't found her as yet in 1851.

Martha in 1891
7 Pys St, New Swindon RG12/1585 folio 61 pg 34
William Holland head mar 34 brickyard lab b. Som, Crudwell
Martha wife 39 b. Wilts, Stratton
Albert Edward son 6 b. Glam, Cardiff
William James son 1 b. Swindon

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[osprey]

Martha's age from 1881 census onwards is a better match with the 1849 birth reg, but haven't found her as yet. One of her marriage certs looks to be the way to go, so let us know details from the Holland cert.

Passenger lists can be accessed on FindMyPast

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/home.jsp

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Thank you.
I have found Martha and William on the 1901 census but neither at 1911. Martha possibly died in 1910 but thought i might find william

Martha's age from 1881 census onwards is a better match with the 1849 birth reg, but haven't found her as yet. One of her marriage certs looks to be the way to go, so let us know details from the Holland cert.

Passenger lists can be accessed on FindMyPast

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/home.jsp

[osprey]

William should be around on the 1911 - he didn't die until 1944, or at least there's a possible death reg for him then.

William Holland 89 march qtr 1944 Swindon vol 5a pg 10
& there's a possible remarriage in 1932

Albert Edward & William James Holland look to be in Merthyr Tydfil in 1911

Didn't you say Martha's death reg was march qtr 1909?

 

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Gosh I'm getting really muddled now.  I'm using Ancestry .com is that the best site ??  I've got Martha Holland a death in 1909 aged 60 swindon - make birth 1849?  I found a William Holland dies in wilts Jan _March 1910 , how to I tell which one ?

Basically I'm trying to find out the date of birth for Martha ( Thomas's Mother) Holland so that I can order a birth cert for her and make sure I've got the right one.

William should be around on the 1911 - he didn't die until 1944, or at least there's a possible death reg for him then.

William Holland 89 march qtr 1944 Swindon vol 5a pg 10
& there's a possible remarriage in 1932

Albert Edward & William James Holland look to be in Merthyr Tydfil in 1911

Didn't you say Martha's death reg was march qtr 1909?