Thomas Loveday married Elizabeth Davie s in Cardiff 1890 ( COMPLETE)

[triathlon]

Yes, I think without any further leads I will have to assume that Martha Loveday was his mother and was not married at his birth that I will again have to now assume is Thomas H Loveday born 1867.  JOhn could have come from anywhere as you say.
There still is no trace of any death of Thomas Loveday and that I am still trying to work on.  The whole family was split up by 1911 , I just have no idea what happened to their father.

there is a father called John on the marriage certificate rather that there being a blank space for father's name. It was quite common for people to invent a name, use a grandfather's name, use a stepfather's name, rather than admit their illegitimacy.

What workhouse records survive are at the Witlshire & Swindon Archives - they have births from 1866. 

http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisureandculture/museumhistoryheritage.htm

[hanes teulu]

Free BMD has the marriage of an Alfred Haynes Jun 1897 Abergavenny 11a 72. On the same page is an Eliza Davis (not Davies).

The 1901 Census has
Alfred Haynes, Head, Marr, b. 1876, Railway Engine Stoker, b. Kempsey
Eliza Haynes, Wife, Marr, b. 1875, b. Bridgwater
Eily Haynes, Dau, b. 1896, b. Abergavenny
William Bridge, Visitor, Marr, b. 1865, Solicitor's Clerk, b. Bristol
William Davies, Boarder, Single, b. 1881, Railway Engine Stoker, b. Abergavenny
Address 43 Station St, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire

This is the Alfred and Eliza that Bertha "Haynes" is living with in 1911 (no sign of daughter Eily with the family in 1911).

The birth of Eily in Abergavenny links with the Abergavenny marriage of Alfred Haynes and Eliza Davis - but cannot find a birth on BMD for Eily in Abergavenny around that period.

The marriage year of 1897 accords with Alfred's declaration on the 1911 Census of having been "married 13 years".

regards
 
 

[triathlon]

Having checked with the registry offices and various offices, Bertha Haynes is one and the Same as Bertha Loveday.  Eliza Davies (Davis) is Eliza, Elizabeth Lovedays sister and has therefore adopted Bertha.  Backed up further by the 1911 census showing Bertha Born Cardiff as was Berths Loveday. 
Looking at Eily on the 1901 census and there is no trace of her birth, I now wonder if she too is a LOveday and has been adopted i.e. she is Eliza Jane Loveday born 1895/1896.  It just seems to fit in ??

Free BMD has the marriage of an Alfred Haynes Jun 1897 Abergavenny 11a 72. On the same page is an Eliza Davis (not Davies).

The 1901 Census has
Alfred Haynes, Head, Marr, b. 1876, Railway Engine Stoker, b. Kempsey
Eliza Haynes, Wife, Marr, b. 1875, b. Bridgwater
Eily Haynes, Dau, b. 1896, b. Abergavenny
William Bridge, Visitor, Marr, b. 1865, Solicitor's Clerk, b. Bristol
William Davies, Boarder, Single, b. 1881, Railway Engine Stoker, b. Abergavenny
Address 43 Station St, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire

This is the Alfred and Eliza that Bertha "Haynes" is living with in 1911 (no sign of daughter Eily with the family in 1911).

The birth of Eily in Abergavenny links with the Abergavenny marriage of Alfred Haynes and Eliza Davis - but cannot find a birth on BMD for Eily in Abergavenny around that period.

The marriage year of 1897 accords with Alfred's declaration on the 1911 Census of having been "married 13 years".

regards
 
 

[triathlon]

Eliza and Alfred married in 1898 but Eily is shown as 5 on 1901 census, therefore born in 1896 before they were married ??  Again it seems that Eliy is Eliza Loveday.  It appears that the Davies family are looking after all the Loveday children.

[hanes teulu]

Triathlon,

Sadly, doesn't fit.

Eliza J Loveday born Abergavenny is on the 1901 Census with Thomas/Elizabeth Loveday.

Eily Haynes born Abergavenny is on the 1901 Census with Alfred/Eliza Haynes.

regards

 

[triathlon]

Oh dear yes you are right.
I am trying to find marriages of Ellen 1868 and Annie Blanch Davies 1872 and really hope they have UNCOMMON names of partners!

[triathlon]

Have just received some information directly from relatives of Thomas Francis Loveday 1892 - 1960. 
He and his wife Alice nee Poulson lived in Ambleside, Hengeod Rd, Penpedairheol, Hengoed. Glam until his death in 1960.  He had a business in Pengram selling colliery safety footwear and school uniforms for Lewis Grammar School for Boys ( still there) .  He was a country councillor.

Has anyone any ideas about old esbalished business etc in that area where I may be able to speak to someone who knew him?  Maybe through this avenue I might be able to find out what happened to his father that caused him at the age of 19 to have to live with his mothers family and all the the rest of the children were split up.

[triathlon]

Just got another lead and some positive news from Barnados.  Found Thomas Lovedays b. 1867- daughter Eliza Jane b. 1895.  Thats the good news.  The not so good news is that she was taken in by Barnados in 1908 following her mothers death in 1907.  On 8th october 1908 she was sent to Quebec Canada on the SS Dominion and arrived Quebec 19th october 1908.  She was sent to a holding unit at HAZELbray in Quebec.  This has now closed and the records are back with Barnados in UK.  Unfortunately as she may have married in canada , Barnados will ONLY release her records to a direct descendent. 
HAS ANYONE ANY IDEA HOW BEST I MAY BE ABLE TO FIND HER IN CANADA assuming she may have married.
Barnados were quite helpful however and when I asked details of her father they said there were NO details of him or his death and the file simply siad "lost sight of ........"  !!  Maybe left home
This still doesnt help me with trying to find out what happened to her father but I am now going to get the death cert of Thomas H Loveday who died in Northampton 1950 to see if the informants on this give me any leads.
I cant find any other Lovedays that were born 1867 in Stratton that fit the bill.
Any further suggestions would be great. Thank you.

On one of your threads, you mentioned a birth reg with Martha as mother. Possible marriage for Martha

Martha Loveday dec qtr 1870 Highworth vol 5a pg 36 to either John Legg or John Smith

1871 Upper Stratton, Wilts RG10/1879 folio 33 pg 35
John Smith head mar 56 farm labourer
Martha wife 24
both born Stratton St Margaret

1881 Hag Lane, Swindon RG11/2020 folio 47 pg 17
William Holland head mar 25 general labourer b. Somerset, Crudwell (?)
Martha wife 30 tailoress b. Wiltshire, Stratton
Thomas Smith son 14  plough boy ag labourer b. Stratton
John Smith son 8 b. Stratton

Looks like Martha may have 'lost' a few years on meeting a younger man.

remarriage
Martha Smith dec qtr 1881 Highworth vol 5a pg 49 with William Holland on the same page
more than one possible death reg for John Smith in Highworth that would fit.

Haven't found Thomas in 1871 as yet.

 

[osprey]

you could try posting on the Canada board with a link to this post to ask how to find her details

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,166.0.html

There's a poster called J.J. who takes a special interest in British Home Children.