Thomas Loveday married Elizabeth Davie s in Cardiff 1890 ( COMPLETE)

[Mort29]

looking at that 'tree' for Bertha et al on Ancestry, it has NO sources quoted, and not even vital details for Henry B. 

[triathlon]

You are absolutely right.

 I have just this minute spoken to a living relative of Thomas loveday 1867, only taken me about a thousand hours to get this far but very exciting.  I am hopeful that when I email him the family info he can clarify or contact other members of the family?
It is very interesting that he mentions that he thought his grandafather Thomas Francis Loveday 1892 - 1960 was a Barnardos boy.!!!!
i Know that his mother was dead in 1907 and that Thomas Francis was with her brother Francis J Davies on 1911 census .  But where was the father - if he is not the 1912 or 13 Loveday death where is he??

[Morganllan]

That's great news, Triathlon
It's great when you finally track down a rellie, isn't it? 

Good luck with the search 

[Morganllan]

For info - there are some Loveday Wiltshire MIs here:
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/GLS/Painswick/MIs.html

[osprey]

On one of your threads, you mentioned a birth reg with Martha as mother. Possible marriage for Martha

Martha Loveday dec qtr 1870 Highworth vol 5a pg 36 to either John Legg or John Smith

1871 Upper Stratton, Wilts RG10/1879 folio 33 pg 35
John Smith head mar 56 farm labourer
Martha wife 24
both born Stratton St Margaret

1881 Hag Lane, Swindon RG11/2020 folio 47 pg 17
William Holland head mar 25 general labourer b. Somerset, Crudwell (?)
Martha wife 30 tailoress b. Wiltshire, Stratton
Thomas Smith son 14  plough boy ag labourer b. Stratton
John Smith son 8 b. Stratton

Looks like Martha may have 'lost' a few years on meeting a younger man.

remarriage
Martha Smith dec qtr 1881 Highworth vol 5a pg 49 with William Holland on the same page
more than one possible death reg for John Smith in Highworth that would fit.

Haven't found Thomas in 1871 as yet.

 

[triathlon]

Thank you.

Sorry not quite sure how this ties in with the birth of Thomas Loveday in 1867?

I am still trying to find Thomas's parents but all I know from his marriage cery is that his father is named John !  and THomas is down as being born Stratton, Swindon.
Regarding Martha, one of the registars, I think in Swindon had a birth for a Thomas Loveday with only a mothers name on cert. given as Martha?

I'm just trying to check back on records now.

For info on the 1911 census Eliza Jane and Betha Loveday, children of Thomas and Elizabeth are'nt shown anywhere , could they also be Barnados ?  I can find the other 3 in 1911.

[triathlon]

Regarding the authenticity of the marriage of Bertha Loveday 1900 - 1985.

 All I have from an unchecked source ( emailed him but no response yet) on another site is that she married Henry Blackburn b. 1898 - married on 6th June 1924 at St marys Wistaston.  This information seems too specific to be incorrect but I cant find the marriage registered as yet?

[osprey]

my thought was that Martha Loveday, mother of Thomas, married before the following census which is why they couldn't be found in 1871. I found a marriage for Martha, who like Thomas, was from Stratton to John Smith with whom she had a son, also John. Her husband died and she moved in with William Holland and in 1881 both her sons are with her, although Thomas is enumerated as Smith. Perhaps Martha didn't tell her new man that the boys had different fathers? Perhaps they didn't?

As Martha wasn't married at the time of Thomas' birth, the only way that the father's name could be on the cert was if he registered the birth. Perhaps John Smith was his father or Thomas thought he was, or he used his first name to fill the embarrassing blank space on the marriage cert.

Stratton bmds were registered in Highworth until 1899 when the registration district became Swindon
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/highworth.html

 

[hanes teulu]

Triathlon,

Decided to try and track the Bertha Haynes that married Henry Blackburn  - marriage registered DEC Qtr, 1924 Nantwich 8a 664.

Checked the 1911 Census for a Bertha Haynes in the Nantwich area and found one in Crewe born 1901 Cardiff.

I have checked FreeBMD for the period between 1895 and 1905 (lots of leeway!!) and couldn't find the birth of a Bertha Haynes registered Cardiff, or indeed Glamorgan, during that period.

Has your source established that Bertha "Haynes" b. Cardiff 1901 (1911 Census, Nantwich) and Bertha Loveday b. Cardiff 1900 (1901 Census, Cardiff) might be one and the same?

By 1911 the family appears broken up with Rose and Thomas Frances in Merthyr Tydfil with relatives and no trace Elizabeth and Bertha? Was Bertha adopted? Already been mention of Thomas and Dr Barnardos.

Possible red herring but food for thought

1911 Census ref = RG14PN21768  RG78PN1297   RD449 SD1 ED16 SN176

regards