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Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« on: Sunday 30 May 10 19:41 BST (UK) »
Can you help me?

My great-great grandparents William and Mary Wetherell moved to the Stables in Ysceifiog from Cheshire between 1847 and 1849, when their daughter Mary was born.  Two other children born at Ysceifiog are known to me: George and Albert, born in 1854. By 1856, the family was in Middleham, North Yorkshire.  We have not yet found any member of the family in the 1861 census. 

William was a horse trainer / racing groom.

According to the Ysceifiog MIs, two children, William Alfred and George were buried in the churchyard in 1852 and 1853 respectively.  The first was unknown to me - he is evidently not their first child, also William, who appears in the 1851 census and survived for many years after.

Would someone be kind enough to look up Wetherell (or variant) entries in the parish register between 1847 and 1856 for me.  I hope to account for the mysterious William Alfred and two (at least) children missing from the future record.

Very many thanks
Warkworth
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Veal, Tyreman, Wetherell - NRY

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 30 May 10 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hello

I don't know if you have read this post already but it relates to the stables in Ysceifiog and might be of interest to you although the family names at a glance dont appear to match your family lived  in perhaps one stable and the others in the other.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,415040.0.html

Hope it is of interest.

Sarah
Flintshire Parry, Price, Lloyd, Jones, Williams, Roberts, Ellis, Holland and Davies. Mostly from Brynford area.
Denbighshire Hannam, Evans
Scotland Clark, Duff, Ferrier, Cruikshanks, Robertson, Anderson, Mciver, Finlayson, Hodge, Galloway and Barrie
Midlands Shaw, Davenport, Skidmore, Ball
Ireland Mccaffery

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 June 10 18:57 BST (UK) »
Sarah

Many thanks (belatedly).  I hadn't seen all this exchange of posts, but when I first asked for help locating the Stables, your original reply was very helpful.  I'm now pretty sure of the background.  I assume my great-great grandfather may have been employed by the Mostyns at that point, but I can't, of course, be certain.  I've drawn a blank in an online search of the Mostyn family's records.

There remains the mystery of his disappearing children... and the one we didn't know about.

Warkworth
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Veal, Tyreman, Wetherell - NRY

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 June 10 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Ysceifiog baptisms for the children of William & Mary Wetherall. Racing Stables.
Trainer of Horses.

March 20 1848. Mary.
July 22 1850. George.
Jan 15 1852. Alfred.
Dec 16 1852. Ellinor.

Burials.
Alfred Wetherall. New Stables. Jan 21 1852. Infant.
George Wetherall. Racecourse. March 9 1853. Age, Two years.

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 June 10 09:43 BST (UK) »
Paul

This is fantastic.  Thank you very much indeed for your trouble.

Regards
Joyce
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Veal, Tyreman, Wetherell - NRY

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 June 10 13:35 BST (UK) »
This is not really linked to the Wetheralls, but I thought I`d post it anyway.

Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Tuesday, April 25, 1848;
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Died April 17 at Mostyn Racing Stables near Holywell, Mr John Blenkhorn training groom to the Hon H. E. Ll Mostyn M.P.
Few men have attained higher respect, or been more esteemed for
probity and honour.
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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 June 10 16:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Wilcoxon.  I think it might be worth looking at the other people occupied in horset things at Ysceifiog.  I'm sure their paths crossed many times as they followed the horses.

Joyce
Bennison, Dales, Ezard, Hodgson, Horsley, Hudson, Leng, Leppington, Marshall, Padgett, Reaston, Tate, Thorley / Thurley /Thurlow, Welbourn, Wilkinson - ERY / NRY (18th century and earlier)
Veal, Tyreman, Wetherell - NRY

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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 July 10 17:30 BST (UK) »
Dear Warkworth,
I don't know much about family history but I am an enthusiastic if amateur student of racing history. Some years ago I wrote this as an entry in a little biographical dictionary of racehorse trainers in Berkshire and I don't know if it's of any use:-
   "WEATHERALL William (c1803-1881). William Weatherall is listed as training at Upper Lambourn for much of the 1860s. He was a Berkshire subscriber to the Racing Calendar in 1868 and 1869. Weatherall worked for the Hambleton trainer Robert Hesseltine, before becoming private trainer for several years at Delamere Forest to Mr Worthington - they had 4 horses in 1844 and 1848 - who gave him permission at the end of the latter year to go public. In the early 1850s he was training a small string (e.g. 6 horses in 1850) as a public trainer at Mostyn Stables, Hollywell, and acting as clerk of the course at Holywell Racecourse, moving on in 1854 to Middleham. Two years later he was handling 4 horses and saddled the winner of the Portland Handicap. In 1858 and 1859 he was engaged as private trainer in Ireland to Lord Waterford's stable at Curraghmore in succession to Richard Prince but his employer was killed in the hunting field in March 1859 and his vast stud - the largest and most successful in Ireland - was sold soon afterwards. Weatherall trained no less than 37 winners for him in 1858. In 1864 he moved to the old yard at Upper Lambourn where John Prince had once trained for Mr Merry which had stabling for 24 horses and advertised for new owners with little success. He had 8 horses in 1865 and  half this the following year while operating as a public trainer. In 1868 he had a string of 12. By 1869 he was at East Ilsley with 4 horses. In 1870 having moved to Richmond he advertised for owners or as a job as a private trainer. William Weatherall died at Beverley on 21 January 1881  aged 77. [His name is sometimes spelt Wetherell and other variations]."   
   If there are any points arising from this I'd be happy to answer them. His spellings varied widely in Ruff, Bell's Life, Sporting Life and in  the Bentinck Fund reports - he was, of course, as I expect you know a Bentinck pensioner during his final years.   
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Re: Wetherells in Ysceifiog
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 July 10 17:36 BST (UK) »
Dear Ramptonlyles

I am dumbstruck!  I never hoped to get so much detailed information on William.  I am immensely grateful to you - and if your interest in horseracing runs to betting, I wish you many winners!

Can't wait to tell his other descendants, albeit the few that we know of.
Many, many thanks

Joyce
Bennison, Dales, Ezard, Hodgson, Horsley, Hudson, Leng, Leppington, Marshall, Padgett, Reaston, Tate, Thorley / Thurley /Thurlow, Welbourn, Wilkinson - ERY / NRY (18th century and earlier)
Veal, Tyreman, Wetherell - NRY