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Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 08:16 BST (UK) »
Looking for Samuel Burgess - a baker in Macclesfield (or Prestbury) at his daughter Ann's wedding in 1852 to John Lane at Macclesfield St Michaels.
I think I have him in the 1841 Census at Macclesfield, Bollington, and the 1851 Census at Macclesfield, Alderley but would be great to confirm if he is a baker in either of these places. And also who is still living with him at these dates.
Can't  find him in any Trade Directories.

There are many families of Burgess around here - all very confusing!  :P

Thanks very much
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 May 10 14:44 BST (UK) »
Goldie - as you say there's a lot of them about - can you give a bit more of a clue to what you've found - eg age, place of birth?
I tried Samuel Burgess, baker, resident in Cheshire for 1851 & got nothing, removing baker got dozens with around 10-15 in Macc area. I've found bakers listed as confectioners, pastry makers & other variants....

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 30 May 10 02:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your help.
I have been really stumped with this (for many years! I can remember trawling through microfiche and films at the local LDS library nearly 30 years ago - now I have come back to it, computers give you a lot of info - but sometimes it just gets more and more tangled!.........)

I know Samuel's daughters Ann and Sarah were christened on 9 April 1828 at Macclesfield St Michael's. It just gives father Samuel Burgess and Mother Sarah. I don't know if they were twins, or just doing 'two for the price of one'! Ann was married 1852 which would make her 24 - which is what it says on her marriage certificate. There are many Sarah Burgess, so can't pin down when/if she was married.
I have not been able to find any more children born to Samuel and Sarah at Macclesfield. There are three born at Prestbury (I know this is about 4 miles west of Macclesfield) to a Samuel Burgess and Sarah, but don't know if this is the same family - Mary 1813, William 1814, and Arminall 1817. It seems like a long wait until 1828 for Anne and Sarah (unless Sarah was ,say, born about 1822, and they just waited until Ann to get her christened.......) These are from the 'labs' search pages on Family history. Unfortunately the Cheshire records Project has not yet completed Prestbury or Macclesfield parishes.

On the 1841 Census, an Ann, born 1826 lived at macclesfield West. A corresponding Samuel lives Macclesfield West too, born 1791 (I know, probably rounded). A Sarah born 1776 also at Macclesfield West, but this seems too old for Samuel's wife. No corresponding daughter Sarah (aged approx.13) - she could be staying somewhere else- there are three likely candidates - one at Prestbury, one at Alderley and one at Bollington.

There is also an Ann on the 1841 Census living at Macclesfield East born 1829. No corresponding Samuel or Sarah (mother) or Sarah (sister). Of course Ann could be the one staying somewhere else! On the 1851 Census this Ann still seems to be at Macclesfield East - no corresponding family members, but by now she would be 23 and probably away from home.

Ann marries John Lane in 1852, who on the 1851 Census is living as an agricultural labourer in the household of John Allman at Alderley (8 miles to Macclesfield?). No Ann Burgess given at Alderley in 1851 Census, but there is one in the 1841 Census - visiting relatives? John Lane was born at Prestbury, and their (John Lane and Ann) children born Bollington and Prestbury. No Samuel in 1841 Census at Alderley, but there one is in 1851, born 1799.

There is a Samuel Burgess on the 1841 Census living at Bollington, born 1801, with a corresponding Sarah (mother), born 1811, and a Sarah (daughter) born 1811. Again, no corresponding Ann. but she could be one of those away on the night.

Also on the 1841 Census there is a Sarah (mother) born 1801 living at Prestbury, with a corresponding Ann, born 1828, and a Sarah (daughter) born 1829. No corresponding Samuel - perhaps he's the one away from home! Sarah (mother) still seems to be in Prestbury by 1851, but no corresponding daughters. Away working? Sarah married? A Sarah Burgess married Richard McCann 1848 at Middlewich, father Samuel, but no knowing if this is the same one.

And so I go round and round!

There seems to be two main candidates for my Samuel in the 1841 Census:
One living in Bollington - born 1801;
One living in Macclesfield West, born 1791.

In the 1851 Census:
One living at Alderley born 1799; Born Great Warford.
One living Macclesfield West born 1789. Born Buglawton.
(At  a guess the same two people).
Is either of them a baker? Or confectioner.............

And four for my Ann in the 1841 Census:
1826 Macclesfield West
1828 Prestbury
1828 Alderley
1829 Macclesfield East

Maybe this is one I can't unravel. Any help in seeing things any clearer gratefully received! :D

Many thanks in deed
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 May 10 10:53 BST (UK) »
Hi,
The web-site www.searchlabs.familysearch.org
 have a lot of Macclesfield BMD's from the 1500's onwards.
Through this site I found the grave of an ancestor buried in 1806.
Dot

Heap - Holmfirth WRY
Rhodes-Flockton WRY & NE Cheshire
Ridgway- NE Cheshire & Lancahire
Roebuck - Upperthong WRY
Wild - NECheshire
Riley - NE Cheshire & Derbyshire
Greaves - NE Cheshire & Lancashire


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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 30 May 10 11:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dot.
This is where I got a lot of information from. I'll keep looking! :D
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 May 10 12:32 BST (UK) »
Goldie - I think you can eliminate the two Samuels found in 1851. The one born c 1789 is a "shop man" he and family are all listed as lodgers to head of household in Macc. - he's married as is Peggy 57, also there is John 32 a widower & two young children (?John's)
The other, born c 1799 is a 52 yo ag lab with wife Hannah 56 & several children - the oldest 14 yo Samuel born Lancs the younger four born Great Warford.

I wonder is Samuel was dead when Ann married? It wasn't always shown on the marriage certs, especially early on - were either of the witnesses Burgesses?

You're right with the area - Prestbury is an "old" parish & at one time covered an enormous area including chunks of Macc. If you're interested in seeing the districts as they were the tithe map website allows you to have parallel maps
http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/TwinMaps.aspx

Incidentally Cheshire have a few directories on this website:
http://cheshiredirectories.manuscripteye.com
The 1822 directory has in Macc a William Burgess at Mill Street listed under "Bakers and Flour Dealers" - perhaps a connection?



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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 May 10 22:49 BST (UK) »
Many thanks mshrmh.  Very interesting.

I wonder, as you say, if he was dead by 1852, although it doesn't say that on Ann's marriage certificate. Witnesses are Henry and Sarah Hulme. Not much help.

Is it possible to check the 1841 census for the Sarah born 1801 living at Prestbury with daughter Ann (born 1828) and daughter Sarah (1829)? Maybe she is a widow. 

Looking through my old, old papers I found I had written down a William Burgess age 72 , born Bosley, in the 1851 Census at Chester Road Macclesfield who is a 'retired baker' (with family). Now I have just found him born 1778 at Bosley of William and Mary - and a brother Samuel born 1792.........Maybe they went in to be bakers together? Intruiging!

Thanks for map sites - maybe I can find Oxton Bloxham which keep cropping up in different families birth places in early census returns and I can't seem to find! It would be a little unlikely that they had all found their way to this area from Oxford I think.

Many thanks again :-*


Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #7 on: Monday 31 May 10 13:27 BST (UK) »
Sorry - not finding either daughter with a plausible parent.

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Re: Burgess Prestbury/Macclesfield
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 June 10 13:59 BST (UK) »
Possible clue:

Sarah BURGESS m Henry HULME in 1838 at Manchester Cathedral - www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

www.familysearch.org has transcriptions of the PR for this time I think - but the site seems to be down for maintenance at the moment.

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CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)