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Wilson fish shop Belfast
« on: Thursday 27 May 10 12:18 BST (UK) »

Family story a James? Wilson owned 2 fish shops in Belfast one in sandy row and one at the docks 1920/30s story goes he was swindled out of money and so returned home to London where he was born he had settled here after marriage to a Ellen Rose or Rose Ellen in St Anns cathedral Belfast does anyone know of these fish shops
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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 May 10 22:28 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 07 April 11 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi saw your message and realised your James Wilson was my grandmother's brother.  Sorry I cant help with regard to what happened to the shops but I can give you some family background with dates etc etc.

I was confused when I read your message because we always thought John was the eldest son and it seems your relative James was the eldest and we knew John had lived in London.  My mother is from Lancashire lived in Belfast from 1949 and John had left Belfast by then.  My Mother who is 85 thought James lived in Lisburn and had a farm.  Incidentally John died in London either late 1950s or very early 1960s and he died penniless.  As far as I know there was seven children as mentioned on the 1911 census.  The great grandmother gave birth to 11 of which 7 lived namely.  James, John, Annie, Jane (known as Jean), twins Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) and finally Robert (Bob).  My great grandfather James died in 1923 and the great grandmother died in 1935 the address on her death certification is 429 Lisburn Road.  We were told it the business generated a very good income because they had trawlers in the 1920s and the telephone number for 429 Lisburn Road is listed in the 1913 Belfast telephone directory which you can view if you visit Lennon Wylie site which gives street directories for all belfast roughly from 1890s up to approx 1913.  The other shop in question was on the Albertbridge Road, Nos 74 and 76.  The name above the shop was actually John Wilson and I have a photograph of that shop.  We also have photographs of the family in their younger days.  Looking at dates your relative would have been approximately 18 when the twins were born and the brother John was about 10.  He is still living at home in the 1911 census.  Incidentally your relative my grans brother was married in the October 1911 and my gran was married a month earlier in the Sept same year.  Her sister Mary (known as May) was married the year before.  Jane (or we called her Auntie Jean) never married.  My mother thinks Annie married and become a Johnston (not sure which spelling is correct for that name) nor do we know anything about Robert.

If you are still interested I can give you more information dates of marriages etc and I also have a photograph which says James Wilson on the back, however, the gentleman is in a military uniform so this may not be the correct James Wilson.

It may be that the great granparents left wills in which case I know the dates but will need to find them.  I just found them recently on a free site for Belfast burials.

Hope some of this is of interest to you best wishes 



 

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 April 11 11:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Lillymayglo

Thank you very much for reply this is my husbands family is father also called James d.oct 1993 was son of James and Ellen since posting I have found out a bit more from my husbands uncle (Thomas Wilson) who is in his 80s and lives in London I do have marriage certificate for James Wilson and Ellen Roads.  I found burial records for James parents on Belfast Burial site what I  do know is that James and Ellen lived in a place called Clougher about three miles from Lisburn and that James travelled to work on pushbike to fish shop until him and his family moved to London I would love photos of shop and family thank you very much for that I will send you a personal message soon about what I know.

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 April 11 12:30 BST (UK) »
New members usually need 3 posts to use PM (Personal Message) system so Lillymayglo will have to make a few more posts.
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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 April 11 10:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Lillymayglo.
It is great to get some feedback after almost a year just shows never give up.
Hope you got my (PM) ok. Yes I am intrested in anything you might have on the family.  It was down to the very helpful roots chatters on this forum that I was able to find marriage James Wilson and Ellen Roads and from that was able to find  family on the 1911 at 429 Lisburn Road Belfast

On the 1911 census James Wilson seniors wife is a Mary.J would you know her maiden name thanks

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 April 11 21:37 BST (UK) »
Hi was unable to read your personal message because I do not have enough posts on the website as I saw your message by sheer chance and my message was the first posting from me (apparently three posts are needed to access person messages.  Will try to get photos scanned this week and I will put them in as several posts so that I can access your message.  In answer to your query, as far as we know, Mary Jane's maiden name was McLeod (or McCloud) she has some connection to Greenock in Scotland. Recently I have looked at some of the Scottish sites but there are lots of McLeods in Greenock so it is finding the correct Mary Jane, if indeed she was born there.  The 1911 census says she was born in Belfast but some of the family think she may have been born in Greenock.  My mother also mentioned Dunoon which is near Greenock.  I will try to gather as much information as possible.  Jane your James's sister used to take my father with her to Greenock for holidays when he was a small boy but that is all I know as my father died about 20 years ago and unfortunately he was never interested in family ties.  regards

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 April 11 22:35 BST (UK) »
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I thanks for reply.  For a long time I thought that James and John might be same person then was  told by family that  John never married. James died in London in the 1940s not long after he moved there with his wife The family always thought that the Wilsons were the London connection when infact it was Ellen Roads James wife  I  have been able to trace Ellen  back almost 600 years from London parish records.

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Re: Wilson fish shop Belfast
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 April 11 20:29 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think this might be our wilson family on 1881 scotland census for greenock west, county renfrewshire
james wilson age 30 born ireland (a joiner)
 mary jane  wilson age 29 born ireland
james wilson age 10 born ireland
robert wilson age 8 born greenock scotland
john wilson age 4 born ireland

a while ago I purchased a birth certificate for a Jane Wilson father a James Wilson(joiner) mother a Mary Jane laughlin could be a mispelling of loughlin address liliput street belfast year 1885

if this is our wilson family it  might explain
 connection with greenock as some of the family might have grew up there and that is why your great auntie jean took your father there on holidays.


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