Southbroom St James, Devizes - ANDREWS - COMPLETED

[asherman]

Hi Kris

I think the enumerator has got a bit mixed up and perhaps thought that Melbourne must be in Australia, I tend to go with the grandparrents and believe it is Marylebone, which Andrew has as his birth place. Unfortunately Henry couldn't speak for himself (he was deaf and dumb), so his communication would have been hand written, and spelling may not have been his best point.

thanks

Anne

[krisesjoint]

Hi Anne,

You are right 1881 is Melbourne also (clearly)  I should have double checked. I had gone through the entries earlier today and just posted without rechecking them. His writing does seem very good on the marriage entry. (his signature) I wonder if it may pay to check Victorian Births just in case. I was wondering if a deaf man speaking may mean Marylebone sounds like Melbourne - I can imagine it certainly would but stating he was deaf and dumb rather than just deaf I presume he could not speak. He certainly did very well for a deaf person in those times to be literate and a tailor.

Cheers Kris 

[patrish]

Hi Kris,

I can speak from personal experience as I have 2 deaf cousins, unfortunately the deaf always were and still are labled with "dumb" even the a great many of them can and were able  speak but things certainly do sound different because they are not able to use tone or pitch in thier voices.

[krisesjoint]

Hi Patrish,

I know what you mean. Melbourne/Marylebone I can see that being misheard when a deaf person speaks. He was very lucky to have had his grandparents. They must have spent a lot of time working with him. He could just as well gotten lost in an institution somewhere.

Alas the Southbroom baptisms are on the IGI and he does not appear. Not seeing him listed in Marylebone either.

Cheers Kris 

[asherman]

Hi Kris

I understand that even in those days they did have schools for the deaf, although I think it was mainly in London. Henrys 2nd wife Charlotte was also born deaf and was a dressmaker, so perhaps it is an occupation that suited them.  Henry's uncle was a tailor so I would think he was trained within the family.

Anne

[vazzycat]

Hi All

I checked the fiche of the parish records today for Southbroom St James Devizes and can confirm that between 1841 - 1853 there were only two ANDREWs christenings:-
-Andrew s of Ann ANDREWS of This Chapelry and mother is Single July 18 1852
-Henry Nelson ANDREWS who I beleive you have already discounted.

Interestingly there were two ANDREWS marriage entries between 1861-1872:-

-1863 Nov 2 by licence
Andrew ANDREWS, full age, bachelor, Seaman, Portsmouth, Richard ANDREWS, Postman
Martha Hanna GODDARD, Minor, Spinster, This Chapelry, John GODDARD, Labourer
Both sign
Witnesses William BRIGHT & Mary Ann GODDARD

-1867 Jan 1
Andrew ANDREWS, Full age, bachelor,  Fireman on the railway, Parish of Molesey East Middlesex, No father entered
Mary Ann COOLE, full age, spinster, No occ, This chapelry, Stephen COOLE, Brewer
Both sign
Witnesses William COOLE & William THOMAS


So I suppose this hasn't really added anything new, but at least a Henry baptism & marriage can be discounted at Southbroom!

[asherman]

Many thanks.

The marriage of the fireman and the bapt of Andrew relates to the same person (the bapt was rather later in the day). Andrew actually returned to his home town to get married before going back to London to live out the rest of his days.  Henry Nelson is a cousin of Andrew and the Henry I am looking for. The other Andrew marriage is the uncle of Andrew the fireman and Henry.  I did not have the details of the other marriage so that proved useful anyway.

As you say I can now rule out Southbroom, and so must turn my attention to the larger area of Marylebone.

Thanks everyone