Primeiron Frank Harris aka Grant 1820 Bloomsbury London

[twistedbranches]

Hi Rose,

Nice to here from you.
I have been researching Primiron Frances Grant for a while now, he is my husbands greatgreat grandfather his grandson Joseph Robert William Grant is my husbands  grandfather. {Francis Grant is his great grandfather}.
I found the baptism entry of Primeiron Frank Harris for 1820 his father's name was John Harris and his mother's name was Rebbecca but there is no maiden name for her. If you have access to ancestry.com the listing is there. I was able to access it through the state archives for free and I think you can do the same at your local library.
Primiron is listed in the Braidwood Goal Entrance entry and there is a bit of info on him not much though he is also listed there under the name of Francis Grant as is his son Francis. Just a brief discription of them.
Just Google Braidwood Goal and it should pop up, scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on seach database then type in thr name of Grant.
Could you possibly email me a photo of him as I would love to see what he looked like.
His grandson Joseph R W Grant was a very tall thin person I have one photo of him in his later years if you would like to see it.
Cheers Aileen.........

[rosejack]

Hi Aileen,

Already have all the information on Frank in the gaol, but thank you, anyway.  He was only 5 feet 4 inches with brown hair and fresh complexion.  He was put in for larceny, from memory - those were much harsher times. 

No-one, as yet, has been able to find Rebecca, his mother,although I was told that she died on the voyage over here and someone else in the family told me that there was a carriage accident. 

The photograph of Primiron was given to me by my second cousin (now in her nineties).  It is of Primiron with my great uncles, Felix and Frank Hamilton when they are quite young children.  I think Primiron is in his seventies.  It isn't the clearest in the but passable.

Anyway, nice to be in contact.

All the best,

Rose.

[twistedbranches]

Hi Rose,

I have been trying to piece together all the information I can on Primiron/Primeiron Grant/Harris, every little bit counts in putting his life together. I haven't heard about his mother dying on the voyage over  or a carriage accident.  Have you found anything on the ship's records of his arrival, I found that he and his uncle first arrived in Western Australia  and then came to New South Wales in 1833.
Next time I get to the archives I will see if I can find the ship's arrival. I don't live to far away from them.
There is an entry in the State Archives for his son in 1870 on a charge of indecent assult but that's all I could find.
Eliza Collins is also listed in Braidwood Gaol.
If I give you my email address could you please email me his photo.
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Cheers Aileen.........


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[SHGG]

Hello all posters on the topic of Primiron Grant. Thank you for the fantastic info. He is my GGG Gf. How amazing to discover through putting my beloved grandmother's maiden name into google, that i had a GGG Gf called Primiron. My Gm was Alma Rose Grant b1910 d 1986. I have also just learned about Sarah Agnes Grant, my grandmother's aunt, from the Whaite family site (the one mentioned in this topic) this is my first ever go at a genealogy forum. I just checked with my father if he knew of his great aunt Sarah but had never heard a whisper about her. She was killed in a railway accident in Glenelg, South Australia  according to the whaite website. This wouldn't be the carriage accident referred to here as the generation is later?  I'd love to see any Grant family photos. Kind Regards, Sam

[twistedbranches]

Hi there Sam,

If you type in  'tribalpages' on Google and type in Primiron Grant aka Primeiron Frank Harris/Grant  in the search box and then scroll down and click on to my family tree which is called twistedtreesandtangledbranches Robson-Grant family tree you will see  photos of Primiron and also his wife Julia Collins and other and also information on Primiron Grant.
 
His real surname was Harris and his parents were John Harris and Rebecca. No one knows why he changed his surname to Grant it's a bit of a mystry.

If you have any trouble finding it just contact me through the personal message option on rootschat.
Cheers Aileen.......

[Lee Hill]

Hello Rose,
I am yet another decendent of Primeiron Francis Grant. I have just read that you believe he came to Australia under the name of Grant and not Harris. Can you please tell me what makes you believe this. I have been looking for info for a few years now and have never found any immigration or passenger lists for him under either Harris or Grant. I think we all believe it was Harris as the only record for anyone with that name was born in England in 1820 with the Surname Harris.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Lee Hill

[twistedbranches]

Hi Lee, My name is Aileen Robson and I got your rootschat notice about Primiron Grant who I have been researching, he is my husband's greatgreat grandfather.

Primiron Grant aka Primeiron FranK Harris son of John Harris and Rebecca first arrived in the Swan river area of Western Australia on the ship 'Jolly Rambler'  With his uncle William Harris and William's wife and children some time around 1832?  they then came to New South Wales again supposedly on the 'Jolly Rambler' around 1833-1835?. it was after this that he seems to have changed his name.

I find the entry on the internet if I can find it again  I will let you know. Or you can try Googleing the name of the ship and see what came up. that's what I did.

I sometimes wonder if his mother's maiden name was Grant. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose

Hope that this has been of some help to you
Cheers Aileen..........

[rosejack]

Hello Lee,

He certainly was a prolific chap, wasn't he?  He is listed as GRANT on the passenger list of the Jolly Rambler, along with his uncle, his uncle's wife and their children.  I'll have to look at the thing again, but another cousin of ours found the entry when she went to the Society of Genealogists in Sydney.  I believe another person found this too but I'm not sure that she would want to be on this chat site, so I'll leave her name out.  On the printout, it clearly states that his name was GRANT, Francis Primeiron.  This was from the Battye Library in Western Australia, on the index of ships.  I too thought he must have changed his name to Grant after he arrived, given his history with his uncle, William Harris - it seemed logical, however, not so.

I wrote away for Primeiron's cousin's (Mary Ann Harris) death certificate, hoping to find more information on his uncle, William Harris, but it did not shed any more light on the subject.  Her mother's maiden name was not listed.

Anyway, the name, Grant, on docking in Sydney is a certainty.

Cheers,

Rose.

[Lee Hill]

Hi Aileen and Rose,

Thank you both for replying to my post. I will have to do some more research Rose. I had found the passenger list for the Jolly Ramblers voyage from the Swan River to Port Jackson. A William Harris,his wife and four children are listed. Perhaps this is not the right family. I will post  again if I discover anything new. I will be in Perth next week so will try to get to the State Libary and see what I can discover.
Has anyone ordered Primeiron's Death certificate or marriage certificate to Julia Collin's? These may shed some light on Primeiron's parents. If no one has, I will order them and let you all know.

Once again Thank You. Lee Hill

PS I have contacted the Waite family tree owner and have given details of my branch of the Grant tree. I have received an email saying that these details have been added to the Waite Tree.

regards

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