Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool

[DavidHWright]

Can some please lookup the 1841, 1851, 1861 census records for Eliza Roberts?
She married Samuel Shore in West Kirby, Cheshire in 1866 giving her father's name as Edward Roberts, a licensed victualler. 1881 census give birth as 1834 in Liverpool. So she may be the Elizabeth Roberts christened St Peter's, Liverpool 1835 (on IGI) - parents Edward & Margaret Roberts. Other possible siblings: John 1830, William 1829, James 1831, Ann Peacock 1832 (may be the Ann ROBERTS married to John PENDLETON and living with her widowed Mother Margaret ROBERTS aged 70 in Bebbington 1881), Martha 1837, Charlotte 1839, Nathaniel 1834
Additional Information: Pigot's Directory 1828/29 lists a publican named Edward Roberts in Spitalfiels, Liverpool . Also the Liverpool Poll Book of 1832 lists Edward as a victualler in Burlington St.

Thanks
David Wright

[suzard]

1871 gives birth as 1830 Liverpool???

Suz

[DavidHWright]

Oh dear! here's the 1881 record which seemed to me to be a good match:

Samuel SHORE  Head  M 44  b  Cheshire    County Constable      
Eliza SHORE Wife  47  b Liverpool    Constable Wife      
Sarah Eliza SHORE Daur 12  scholar b West Kirby, Cheshire     
George Frederick SHORE son 11 scholar b West Kirby
Alfred SHORE son 8 scholar b West Kirby

RG11/3571/41 p 14  18 Brombrough Road Lower Bebington, Cheshire    

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IGI does have a 1829 christening of Eliza Roberts in St peter's Liverpool. Parents Edward & Maria. Possible other siblings Thomas 1829, Charles John 1830, Jane 1827, Richard Joseph 1828.

[suzard]

here's the 1871
West Kirby Cheshire
Samuel Shore head m 34 County Constable ??ett Cheshire
Eliza wife 41 Liverpool
Sarah Eliza daughter 2 Kirby Cheshire
George Fredk son 1 Kirby Cheshire
RG10 3743 64 18

there is a death reg freeBMD
Eliza Shore
age 52
mar qtr 1833
Chester
8a 290
I don't know if this is your Eliza's death reg -but if it is then it gives a y.o.b. c 1831

I have been looking for Edward Roberts occ publican -and also looking for the Edward Roberts/Margaret and Edward/Maria combinations

the best I have come up with so far -which if it was correct would complicate things-
1851
4 Dickinson St Liverpool
Edward marsden head m 47 publican Bedford Yorks
Margaret Roberts wife M 37 Holyhead Anglesey
Ann marsden daughter 13 Liverpool
John Marsden son 10 liverpool
James Marsden son 7 Liverpool
HO107 2181 2417 46


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Suz

[mosiefish]

Hi,

I did find this  :

Marriage: 24 Jul 1835 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edward Marsden - Engineer of This Parish
Margaret Roberts - Spinster of This Parish
Witness: John Griffiths; Joseph Nicholson, (X)
Married by Licence by: Montague Hawtrey Curate

Mo

[DavidHWright]

Do you think this might explain this - On IGI there is a Margaret with a second name of Roberts and a surname of Roberts. So on marriage her name would be Margaret Roberts Marsden. Here is the IGI record:

First names: Margaret Roberts Surname: Roberts    
   Christening:     22 MAY 1814      Llanddyfnan, Anglesey, Wales
     Father:     ROBERTS ROBERTS    
     Mother:     ELIZABETH

Thanks to Suz & Mo

David

[suzard]

I wonder if Eliza was born pre marriage??

Suz

[suzard]

this is them in 1861
The Nags head
156 Park Lane
Liverpool
Edward Marsden head M 59 Engine Smith Bradford Yorks
Margaret wife M 56 holyhead Anglesey
John E son 18 Engine Turner Liverpool
James son 16 Cl Brokers Liverpool
Jane Jones servant 16 gen serv Liverpool deaf from birth
plus
4 Lodgers who were all "Seamen"
and Peter taylor visitor U 21 Farmer's asst Ireland
RG9 2675 36 1

Edward doesn't give occupation as "Publican" as possibly Margaret ran the Inn while Edward worked -but it was not uncommon for a wife's occupation to be ignored!!!

Suz

[DavidHWright]

Thanks Suz

Is there anything you've found on the 1841 census that places Eliza Roberts/Marsden living in the household of Edward & Margaret Roberts?

Also can you tell where Eliza was living in 1851 or 1861?

David