In Prison in 1887

[garrvian]

Hi Becky
Have just started tracing the Jarvis family seriously, and came across your series of notes abt Wm Jas Jackn Jarvis.
I had wondered abt him because what I had found before seeing your notes puzzled/intrigued me (as it obviously did you).
Your findings are excellent and I realise that it was last year you were chatting abt him. Have you completed your research on him (and other members of his family)?
Would love to find out the culmination of your search.
Best wishes
Garry

[squiggle]

Hi Garry,

I am now intrigued,

How are you related to William James Jackman Jarvis? He was my great grandfather's cousin. Although we are also related through the Jackman line.

I have to go out to a family gathering today, but I hope I will have the chance to check in later.

I think that you need to make a couple more posts before I can send you a PM (personal message)
Hopefully I will have some information that will be of interest to you.

Becky

[garrvian]

Hi Becky,
Thank you very much for your quick response.
My wife is the gt gt g'dtr of John Jarvis - Wm Jas Jackn Jarvis' brother.
Thru Bernard Miall Jarvis and Bertha Jarvis.
I have only been researching the various branches of our families since earlier this year and it is very interesting how every so often someone a bit different comes up. It adds a little bit of colour to the tree. Where possible, I am trying to get a bit of an insight into the people's lives, where they came from, what they did, how they lived, etc. In our case, why they left England, how they fared in Aust.
In Wm Jas Jackn Jarvis, I can now understand why 3 of his children with Kathleen took their stepfather's name. Mabel, however, didn't which is interesting. Also she appears to have been living near her aunt Jane in '91, rather than near her mother. I may be reading something into that that isn't there though. From what I can find it appears Kathleen died in Br Columbia and Lindsay N went to Canada too, serving with the Canadian forces in WWI.
Searching from Aust, I have to rely mostly on what can be gleaned from online databases, ie Ancestry etc,, so any local UK search material is inaccessible. My wife's cousin in searching Eng records in Eng a few years ago, found a close rellie that no-one in Aust was aware of, altho the Eng family knew abt the Aust connection.
 Please correct me if I am mistaken here or if I am breaching protocol.
Best wishes,
Garry

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Hi Garry,

It seems that you have quite a lot of information.

I have been unable to find William James Jackman Jarvis' death although it appears that he died between the 1910 and 1920 censuses. As his wife Annie is living with her daughter Ellen, who was married to Percy Waldron.

I have been unable to find out what happened to their daughter Jennie.
There is a birth of a son Harry William on 31 March 1893
and the death of a son Harry John on the 25 July 1893

Percy and Ellen had three children, but I would have to PM you those details as there is a chance that they are still living.

By the way... did you find Lindsay Morton's second marriage where he uses Jarvis as his last name?

I'm happy to share any information I have. Hope to hear from you soon.
Becky

[garrvian]

Hello Becky,
Thank you for the extra detail there.
At the moment I don't have access to non-Aust/British records so most American/Canadian info is new to my search. The limited amt of info from USA/Canada is from A....y teasers, which because of the uniqueness of the names, make them almost positive.
You have noted Wm's mistress as Annie - do you have a surname for her? My understanding from your notes would indicate that Wm and Annie married in USA. Was Ellen born in USA or England? From your notes Kathleen is aware of Ellen as a 9 mth old in her '87 petition for divorce, which would indicate Ellen's birth in USA in mid '86. Presumably then Ellen would have been registered under Annie's name? Or have I got dates mixed up here?
Your note abt Lindsay remarrying as Jarvis raises the issue of whether Kathleen jnr, Claude and Lindsay took the Morton name out of courtesy/were pressured to use that name, or were officially adopted by Wm Morton. And perhaps as time passed and they got the full story from both sides,  they made their own decisions.
What is your conclusion re Harry William/Harry John - same child? My inclination is that we have seen a no. of that sort of name variation to assume same child.
Is it Percy W registering for service in 1942? He would presumably be in his 50's!
Thank you for the offer on later family details. For the moment, I will keep that in mind but probably should go PM for a few other matters if you like. The pic of Wm and Annie interests me.
Hope to hear from you soon,
Best wishes,
Garry
     

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Hi Garry,

Thanks for you PM contact. Will take this to PM and e-mail for details of possible living people and details of the close rellie!

Becky