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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 27 May 10 20:53 BST (UK) »
Is this his baptism?

William James Jackman Jarvis baptised 21 October 1849, St Mary, Portsea, Hampshire, England son of William and Jane Jarvis?

Was he on the censuses as Jarvis or Lindsay?
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #19 on: Friday 28 May 10 14:59 BST (UK) »
That is indeed him Coombs!

I have found him in all the censuses up to 1881 in England and 1910 in America. Not in 1890 in America, but I don't know if that is available.  .....He is always registered as Jarvis. The only time I know that he used the name Lindsay was on the 1885 trip to America.

The divorce papers give a huge amount of information, including addresses they lived at between 1882 and 1887, (not covered by the censuses)  and portray a very turbulent marriage, during which he was carrying on an affair with the woman he went on to marry.

His ex-wife ended up in Canada and I am slowly gathering information about their children, one of whom was also living out there.

I am slowly finding out bits and pieces about his second family. 

I would like to find William's death at some point, but the thing that is really gripping me at the moment is wanting to find out why he was in prison.
I keep going back to the archives and trying Valda's suggestions but I am getting nowhere!
Thanks again for you continued interest!
Becky

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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 May 10 18:21 BST (UK) »
I have looked on a few sites but cannot seem to find a likely death. Unfortunately the 1890 census was destroyed and only about 6000 returns for people survive out of about 75 million.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #21 on: Friday 28 May 10 18:51 BST (UK) »
Where was living over here, what was his occupation,  it might help to find something in the newspapers.
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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #22 on: Friday 28 May 10 20:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Coombs, thanks again for hunting for me. I have been trying to use ancestry at the library,       free half hour when I get the chance, but the internet is v.....e.....r.......y   sloooooooooow! and it feels like the time is over before I get anywhere. I may try their criminal records to see if there is anything there, when I next get the chance.

Wilcoxon- he was a teacher/private tutor in this country, and went on to work at a newspaper when he settled in New Jersey.

All the Best,
Becky

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 05 June 10 08:59 BST (UK) »
Hi. You seem to know a lot about prisons so maybe you can help me. I have a convict ancesor who was convicted at The Old Bailey on 6.12.1827. He was imprisoned at Newgate. He was then delivered to the hulk York at Tipnor, Portsmouth on 20.1.1828. Then he was taken from the York on 10.11.1828. He was transported to Australia on the Lord Melville which departed London 5.1.1929.
 My question is, what happened to him between leaving the York and boarding the Lord Melville ?
Do you think he was taken to the Gosport Prison and that the Lord Melville called at Portsmouth to pick up more prisoners before departing for Australia ?
Or is there some other reasonable possibility ?
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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 June 10 14:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Eustace,

You seem to be doing well so far......
 It may be an idea to start a new thread for your query. It may get lost on the end of this one....
Good luck
Becky

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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 05 June 10 18:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Eustace

Welcome to Rootschat. Yes if you start a new thread on the relevant board you will get more chance of replies.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: In Prison in 1887
« Reply #26 on: Monday 07 June 10 04:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Becky and Ben

Thank you for the good advice. I have now posted a message under Portsmouth. I hope that is the best place.

Regards

Eustace