Two weeks before Ireland - help appreciated.

[eyshame]

Thanks, you are good. The family were Catholics.

[shanew147]

I think the first steps are probably searching for the marriage of Catherine & John, and depending on the details found on that, searching for Catherine's baptism and her parents marriage. Unfortunately there are no Wicklow marriages available online at the moment.

It would probably be worth confirm the exact address for the family by a birth cert for Thomas but based on the Griffith's record mentioned the Carton family lived in the townland of Brockagh, which contains the town of Laragh.

for RC Parish records :
 Civil Parish : Derrylossary
 RC Parish : Glendalough 
 Townland : Brockagh

Details for this parish are available on Microfilm Pos. 6474 in the National Library in Dublin and contain baptisms from June 1807, and marriages from Jan 1808 (some missing dates between 1838 and 1840).

Ralph Carton is listed on Griffiths at site 29f, and the details are not very clear on the  maps, but site 29 is just over 1km to the west of the centre of Laragh town, and just before the Y junction. The on the other side of the road is listed as a Lawrence Kavanagh - possibly a relation to John ?


Shane

[eyshame]

Shane i bought Thomas' birth cert but it dosn't list an address. I sent to Dublin for it.
I will be in Dublin for a short time, a few hours only, but happy to go look for info if time permits.
I am totally unable to find brother John born 1870ish in both Ireland and England. I am wondering how to follow Lawrence and see when and where he died, I am guessing ireland as he is not lised on the 1871 England census.
Did you get to look at the map? I think Lawrence s probably brother or maybe father of John born, according to the census records around 1831 and Catherine Carton 1829.
I owe you so much thanks for yoru help Shane.
E.

[aghadowey]

i bought Thomas' birth cert but it dosn't list an address. I sent to Dublin for it.

All Irish civil birth certificates will give a place of birth- usually just the townland although in towns and cities it would probably list a street (with or without a house number).

[shanew147]

You can see a map of the area on the Griffith's website mentioned earlier. Enter Ralph Carton, and Wicklow and he's the only result.

With a common surname like Kavanagh it could be difficult finding later details on Lawrence without knowing further information. There's a few births of a John around 1870 in the right registration district (Rathdrum) but as it's a large area there's no way to know if he's part of the same family without ordering a birth cert to check the parents.

p.s.there's two more Kavanagh close to the Carton property on Griffiths - Denis & John


Shane

[eyshame]

Birth Cert says;
 Birth registered in the district of Annamoe Reg district of Rathdrum Wicklow.
Place of birth Brockagh.
Father was a Miner (he couldn't write)
Address of father and mother are Brockagh.
Does that help at all?
Ralph Carton - i was told there were two Ralph Cartons listed for Wicklow. One was married twice with daughter Catherine born 1852 while my Catherine was born 1829 to another Ralph.
Since Lawrence isn't lsited on the 1871 census i guess he died there in Ireland as a baby/toddler, maybe up to aged 4 years.

[shanew147]

Brockagh is the name of the townland, which would fit with the general area on those Griffith's records.



Shane

[eyshame]

Great, but does that get me any nearer to the family do you think?

[shanew147]

Great, but does that get me any nearer to the family do you think?

It confirms the townland, and therefore the parish.. which is what you need to go back further. Unfortunately the address is too vague to help locate an exact property for them, but the properties of the previous generations can probably be located accurately using the Griffith's map, once you are certain of their names.


Shane