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Re: Robert Owen or Owens b.1863
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 22:23 BST (UK) »
 Marriage Jun 1846   

North Wales BMD
Llanfairtalhaearn, St Mary , all on same page.
OWENS Daniel
HUGHES Thomas
JONES Catherine 
ROBERTS Lucy


1851 HO107; Piece: 2507; Folio: 206; Page: 12
Bodran,  Llanfair Talhaiarn
Daniel Owens 35 joiner b Eglwys-Fach, Denbighshire, Wales
Lucy Owens 30 wife b Llanfair Talhaiarn
William Owens 4 son b "
John Owens 3 Mo son b "

1861 RG9; Piece: 4357; Folio: 74; Page: 6;
Gyffin .Cymryd, Caernarvonshire
Daniel Owens 43 joiner b Llansantffraid, Denbighshire
Lucy Owens 40 b Llanfair Talhaiarn
William Owens 14
John Owens 8
Catherine Owens 9
Hannah Owens 6

1871 RG10; Piece: 5736; Folio: 54; Page: 1
Gyffin ,
Daniel Owens 55 b Caerhun, Denbighshire
Lucy  Owens 50 b Gyfffin Caernarvon
John Owens 20 son b "
Hannah Owens 16 dau b "
Daniel Owens 12 b "
Robert Owens 9 b "
Enoch Owens 7  b"
 Daniel Owens 2 b"

1881
Gyffin
Daniel Owens 63  joiner b Llansantffraid, Denbighshire
Lucy Owens 59
Daniel Owens 22
Robert Owens 19
Enock Owens 17
 

 Not very consistent with places of birth, but it seems very likely to be the same family.
I expect the place names are all in the same area if you check
 
1841 Denbighshire Llansaintffraid Creuddyn
Daniel Owen 25 joiner Y
No other Owens living with him.  ::)

1841 Llanfairtalhaiarn
Lucy Roberts 20 Female Servant  Y
No other Roberts  with her.

You will need the marriage  fo find parents, but as you know the Church is St Mary, Llanfairtalhaearn, maybe someone can do a look up for you.
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Re: Robert Owen or Owens b.1863
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 22:26 BST (UK) »
Just run Robert Owen b.1862 +/- one year - in Wales(whole of)  with father Daniel - through ancestry.com search engine and -

Robert Owens born Gyffin, Carnarvonshire -  parents Daniel and Lucy Owens is the only result of the search -

Surely this must mean my relative ???
Sometimes this genealogy hobby really drives you up the wall ::)


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Re: Robert Owen or Owens b.1863
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 22:59 BST (UK) »
Eureka!!! - Just found Robert Owen on the 1891 census living in Gyffin with - Lucy Owen aged 68 (his widowed mother) which fits in with the 1822 ish date of her birth - so somewhere between 1871 and 1891 Owens became Owen ???

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Re: Robert Owen or Owens b.1863
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 23:01 BST (UK) »
1881 they are still Owens , see my modified post above.
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Re: Robert Owen or Owens b.1863
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 May 10 08:34 BST (UK) »
Another thing that help reinforce my hunch is the fact Gyffin in the late 19th centrury was quite a small area between south of Conwy - and even today it is still of modest size - so the possiblty of a familys of owen and owens living together with so much in common with names of children, occupation and D.O.B's seem very unlikely.

p.s Thanks for all the info from the above replies.