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Offline Rockbourne38

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 21:36 BST (UK) »
thank you to Shane for the info on Irish parish records, now I just need to know how I can do research on those records, as we mentioned, have been researching our family for nearly 40 years, but still really a beginner, used to go to a Genealogical society, but found to many dead ends, so stopped.

we would also like some guidance on how to find details of the Resource, the ship that brought Ellen Butler to Australia and if it is possible to find a passenger list for that voyage, we are not having any luck with that, because of lack of knowledge on how to find it,

are you able to help please.
Shufflebottom, Phillips, Stevens, Basing, Vincent, Mowles, Stone, Cribb, Peareth, Davison, Fry, Wise, Peareth, Davison, Lowman

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 19 May 10 21:54 BST (UK) »

thank you to Shane for the info on Irish parish records, now I just need to know how I can do research on those records...


Assuming that you dont intend visit archives and libraries here in Dublin, the choice for Co. Cork parish records depends on the area of the county involved. For the City and west county the best bet is the website mentioned earlier - http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ which is planning an update of these shortly. Many records for the east of the county are available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.irish-roots.ie

I believe the passenger list for the ship may be available on the Ancestry website


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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 20 May 10 09:40 BST (UK) »
I did look at the shipping manifest on Ancestry to see whether any other Butler passenger showed but couldn't see any other that Ellen's entry.

I don't know if you have an LDS Family History Library near to where you live. From this site, looks like you can order a film for the full ship's manifest http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-nsw.htm

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 20 May 10 09:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you Monica, we did have a look on the Ancesty site after reading the message from Shane but found we had to pay to see the site, and noticed that they obtain the information for their passenger list from the NSW State Archives, so we went on to their site, and found the passenger list, and that was free, the problem is that the writing is so difficult to read that we could not even find anybody named Butler, and we were hoping to find both Ellen Butler and the name of the man who paid her fares, and perhaps other members of his family, as that would give us clue that perhaps he paid her fare so she would accompany them, perhaps as a maid for his wife, or as a governess or nanny for their children, but just could not read the writing, much being blamed by us on our age and eyesight,  We have found that there is an LDS family history library not far from where we live, so we will investigate the use of their library and perhaps we will then be able to at least get those details.  We have also done searches on details of the parents of John Shufflebottom, and are in the process of trying to identify which of the Shufflebottoms in Staffordshire are his parents, there are so many entries for Shufflebottom in that county, perhaps we will never get the correct details.  We probably mentioned earlier that as well as finding dates of birth, baptism, marriage and death, we try whenever possible to make contact with other members we find in our family and ask for family stories, about the life and times, things that have been passed down from generation to generations, to add to the file on various family members, and turns the family tree into a family history, it makes it more interesting, and more to leave for our children and grandchildren. Thanks again for your marvellous assistance, and must say it again, wish we had found you so much earlier.
Shufflebottom, Phillips, Stevens, Basing, Vincent, Mowles, Stone, Cribb, Peareth, Davison, Fry, Wise, Peareth, Davison, Lowman


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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 20 May 10 10:02 BST (UK) »
If you are certain that John's birthplace was Burslem, there is that christening entry that I posted earlier:

JOHN SHUFFLEBOTTOM  Christening: 29 JUL 1810 Burslem, Stafford
Parents: WILLIAM SHUFFLEBOTTOM and ANN

Not sure how accessable death certs are in your part of the world and at what cost. Also, not sure whether death certs included parents' details at the time of John's death. Am I right in thinking that John died in the 1850s and Ellen remarried (from on line family tree details I have seen)?

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 20 May 10 10:12 BST (UK) »
I tried to see whether we could find an image to the Resource manifest on https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Australia,_New_South_Wales_Index_to_Bounty_Immigrants

However, they only show an index card for Ellen - interesting to note that she is down as a Roman Catholic which will have an impact on trying to find records for the family back in Ireland.

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 20 May 10 10:20 BST (UK) »
Just had a look at the image for the manifest and Ellen's entry http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?Page=NRS5316/4_4787/Resource_22%20Dec%201840/4_478700137.jpg&No=6

Can't see any reference to who paid for the trip on it unfortunately - this info doesn't seem to show for any of the entries  :-\

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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 20 May 10 10:24 BST (UK) »
I had a look though list of people on that trip by the ship Resource and I dont think the J.W. Marshall who arranged the ship travelled with them, but is mentioned on many of the records as the person the passengers were 'brought out by'. In the case of the assisted passenger scheme would he have arranged the travel when already based in Australia ?

From what I can see of the passengers most of the occupations are labourers & servants etc - e.g. Labourer, House Servant, Gardener, Farm Servant, Stone Mason, Painter & Glazier, Labourer, Coachman.

The listing for Ellen also mention one more detail that could be useful - the reference for Ellen seems to be a 'Pat. R. Joseph Geary and two others' I presume he was someone quite prominent in the area that Ellen came from which might help narrow down her place of origin within county Cork.


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Re: Ellen Elena BUTLER
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 02 June 10 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi to all of you researching Shufflebotham/Shufflebottom.  I am a g g grandson, and together with other descendants whom have come together by email we have probably all but exhausted what is available in Australia.  I actually live in Armidale, NSW where John Shufflebottom is buried.  He died, to quote the newspaper at the time a "melancholy death."  Somebody mentioned the name MACE.  I am actually doing research with a gentleman by that name and his line comes down through Phillips.
If anybody would like copies of the newspaper article, various certificates etc, please respond and we may be able to exchange information.  JJS actually left England as a Shufflebotham, according to records, but became a Shufflebottom in the colonies.  Ellen changed the name to Stevens after his death in 1857.  She also had a child out of wedlock after his death and before she remarried.