Thank you Monica, we did have a look on the Ancesty site after reading the message from Shane but found we had to pay to see the site, and noticed that they obtain the information for their passenger list from the NSW State Archives, so we went on to their site, and found the passenger list, and that was free, the problem is that the writing is so difficult to read that we could not even find anybody named Butler, and we were hoping to find both Ellen Butler and the name of the man who paid her fares, and perhaps other members of his family, as that would give us clue that perhaps he paid her fare so she would accompany them, perhaps as a maid for his wife, or as a governess or nanny for their children, but just could not read the writing, much being blamed by us on our age and eyesight, We have found that there is an LDS family history library not far from where we live, so we will investigate the use of their library and perhaps we will then be able to at least get those details. We have also done searches on details of the parents of John Shufflebottom, and are in the process of trying to identify which of the Shufflebottoms in Staffordshire are his parents, there are so many entries for Shufflebottom in that county, perhaps we will never get the correct details. We probably mentioned earlier that as well as finding dates of birth, baptism, marriage and death, we try whenever possible to make contact with other members we find in our family and ask for family stories, about the life and times, things that have been passed down from generation to generations, to add to the file on various family members, and turns the family tree into a family history, it makes it more interesting, and more to leave for our children and grandchildren. Thanks again for your marvellous assistance, and must say it again, wish we had found you so much earlier.