Victor Wallace Ward

[cromwell]

Could anyone tell me if Victor Wallace(Wallis) Ward had any brothers or sisters other than Ronald Kelly Ward
His parents Peter Kelly Ward and Ester Jane lived at 138 Manchester St Oldham
Victor was born in 1881 and died in 1960 he left home at the age of 14 and never went back.
Ronald was born 1880
Elsie was born1877 but died a month later
Mabel Given was born 1884 and died in 1888
Was Mabel Gwendolyn Ward his sister ? as stated in a newspaper cutting on her wedding day the only daughter of Mr & Mrs Ward 6 Glenwood St  Blackpool
The best man was her brother Victor Ward....Mabel married Harry Lindley of 119 Layton Rd Blackpool(the newspaper cutting has no date )
I know he had three sisters but cannot find out who they were
Would be gratefull for any help

[garstonite]

Hiya Cromwell  on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk   1929

Harry Ratcliffe Hindley to Mabel Gwendoline Ward  at St Marks church ,Blackpool     BLACKPOOL E/1/37
on www.freebmd.org.uk
Victor Wallace Ward b mar qtr 1881 Oldham  8d 622
Mabel Gwendoline Ward b sep qtr 1884 Oldham 8d 602

on lancs bmd again
Victor Wallace Ward b 1881 Mothers maiden name KELLY
Mabel Gwendoline Ward b 1884 Mothers maiden name KELLY
Elsie Ward b 1877 Mothers maiden name Kelly
Ronald Kelly Ward b 1879 MMN KELLY

Peter Edward Ward married Esther Jane Kelly 1877  St Chads , Poulton Le Fylde   reg  Preston  FJ/2/112
you had Peter Kelly Ward ....I presume this was a spelling mistake....
they married in Mar qtr Jan Feb Mar 1877....allan

[Evie]

Hi

Looking on the Lancashire BMD

Elsie 1877 Oldham Below Town, mother's maiden name Kelly
Ronald Kelly, 1879, O B T, mmn Kelly
Victor Wallace, 1881, O B T, mmn Kelly
Mabel Gwendoline, 1884, O B T , mmn Kelly

These are the only children showing with the same criteria as above.

On BMD Mabel Gwendoline born abt 1885 and died 1888, Oldham

Another Mabel Gwendoline born 1906 Fylde district, a mabel g ward married same district to harry Lyndley 1929. So I think it is the later Mabel who married Harry and maybe born a bit too late for Peter.

What do you think?

Evie

Sorry for the duplicate garstonite

[Evie]

Hi

Peter Edward Ward married Esther Jane Kelly 1877 Poulton-le-Fylde, St.Chad Preston from Lancashire BMD

Evie

[garstonite]

Yes Evie...I think you are right.......so do you think these are different families ?....one Oldham ...one Poulton...I think they are related because of the use of Christian names but we are talking a marriage in 1929...Victor would have been 48 as best man.....Allan

[cromwell]

Thanks All and yes Peter Kelly was a mistake should have read Peter Edward Ward
From the family bible
Peter Kelly born Ireland 1822 Died 1885
Ester Kelly born June 6th 1822 Ireland died 1875
Ester Jane Kelly born Jan 1st 1854 Green Acres Hill Oldham Lancashire

Peter Edward Ward born Jan 27th 1856 Blackpool
Peter Edward Ward and Ester Jane Kelly married Feb 13th 1877 Paulton Lancashire

Mabel Gwendolyn Ward got married at St Marks Church Layton

[Evie]

Hi Both

The MMN of mabel 1906 was Havell so a different family. I am trying to see if there are any more Victor's born.

Evie

[Evie]

Mmmm - very interesting

Victor Wallace ward 1904 Blackpool MMN Howell (a mistranscription on one record possibly)

Evie

[Evie]

Even more interesting

Ronald Kelly Ward married Laura Howell 1903 Old Fylde Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool from Lancashire BMD. So it looks like Mabel and Victor were his children

Evie