searching for HERBERT DEXTER

[petrseaford]

Our Nanna returned to Scotland to visit family and she returned to Australia and died at Brighton in 1966.

i have followed every lead from the War site and all drew a blank. it seems that the military numbers are not unique and many servicemen in WW! had 78165.

i really expect that the choice to marry or not was theirs and that is the least of my interest.

we must remember that in those days children out of wedlock were not always accepted by families and as well not all Scottish families would like an English relative.

The people we are dealing with were coal miners and i expect very old world and tough.

Nana bought her children to Australia and reared them to be wonderful people who all contributed to the Australia that i love and for that reason i disregard the suggestion that she ran off to Australia - she migrated  for her belief that the children would be better off here.

Nana never remarried in Australia

thanks again for all your assistance.

regards

peter

[andycand]

have followed every lead from the War site and all drew a blank. it seems that the military numbers are not unique and many servicemen in WW! had 78165

Hi Peter

The WW1 Service Records online on Ancestry are only Army ordinary ranks so wouldn't necessarily include RAF unless possibly he served in the army first. Also, I don't think he would be on the Medal Roll if he didn't serve overseas but you would need to check that out.

Have you specifically checked out the AIR79/710 records at Kew?

Andy

[Ruskie]

i really expect that the choice to marry or not was theirs and that is the least of my interest.

we must remember that in those days children out of wedlock were not always accepted by families and as well not all Scottish families would like an English relative.

The people we are dealing with were coal miners and i expect very old world and tough.

Nana bought her children to Australia and reared them to be wonderful people who all contributed to the Australia that i love and for that reason i disregard the suggestion that she ran off to Australia - she migrated  for her belief that the children would be better off here.

peter

Well I'm sure you're right and you're very fortunate to have such a wonderful family.
(I'm just glad I didn't suggest that he might have been "a bit of a lad" or I might have got shot down in flames.   )

Many of us have coal mining ancestors and saying they are "old world and tough" is a bit of a sweeping statement - haven't you seen the film Billy Elliot?.

You might need to consider that maybe some of Herbert's details are not as they have been told or recalled through family stories and you may need to cast the net wider - look for someone with Herbert as a middle name for example.

Good luck with the search.

[carol8353]

Hume

Thanks so much for putting us out of our misery with that marriage look up.
Although I suspect Peter actually knew this info 
But of course for us seasoned genealogists who know that every bit of info is useful to get the whole picture and can sometimes lead to the final piece in the jigsaw 

Yes Ruskie that IS the Herbert I found in 1901.But without finding every Herbert Dexter and following them through I'm afraid that you may never find the right one Peter. There must be hundreds(nay thousands) or people out there who are not 100% certain of who their grandad was 

Carol

[carol8353]

PS- you lot have been busy whilst I was asleep 

[petrseaford]

Dear Ruskie.

i was just trying to convey that people then may not have been so accepting as we are now.

i am quite sure that if your daughter produced a child two years after her husband and your kin died may be more one of understanding than may have happened in 1918.

i did not want to in any way sound smart but wanted to reassure you that our Nana was not promiscuous to the best of our knowledge but just a hard working woman who brought up three children on her own in a far distant land - that's all.

i have checked every lead that i have received and to date not one is our Herbert.

Fully realise that many do not know their grandparents - we fortunately do know ours but would just like to try and find him.

Here in Australia most towns compiled lists of the men and women from their towns served at WW1


i do not know if these are listed in any way but i ask  is the same a custom in England and if so is there a register of those names

regards

peter

[Ruskie]

Peter I was in no way casting aspertions on your grandmother. I simply thought she may have had a bad experience and decided to leave it all behind and start a new life. I wondered if Herbert may have done the wrong thing by her. Or perhaps not. Hence my question about whether he may have been a casualty of war.

And I realise that times are different now, but illegitimacy wasn't a rare occurrence in the past and I'm sure many were quite accepting of it. Many of us have no idea what our ancestor's beliefs were.

There are memorials in UK towns and villages, though we would need to know which town or village to look in. I'm not sure if there are memorials for those who served, or just those who died. Someone else may have more knowledge about this. I don't believe there is a central register of such names.

[tedscout]

You must have had an amazing grandmother Peter.

My family emigrated when I was 5 and I have 2 older siblings. My mum and dad and family flew here, but somehow my mother never got over it and was always pining for "home".

I think it was the best thing that ever happened to us. Love England but the opportunities I've had out here far outway what my cousins in England got.

To do it by herself with 3 young children - amazing. Its women like her that this nation is built on.

What did she do for a living when she got here?

Cheers Ted

[dollylee]

Is it possible that Herbert was Canadian?

I haven't checked this information out having just found it.

Returning to Canada on the Minnedosa from the Canadian Discharge Depot in Buxton, Derbyshire, England.  Amoung the many soldiers is a:

Pte. Herbert Dexter Number 654029 Batt. CFC Orig. Unit 117 Co.  Cat. B2 Group 7
Religion Methodist, Residence Blyth Next of Kin: Wife.

Date:  May 20, 1919

Blyth is apparently in Southern Ontario.

OR ....  possible AND

Empress of France
Quebec to Liverpool
September 10, 1921

Herbert Dexter  age 45 Country of Last Permanent Residence:  England
Proposed Residence in England:  14 Pullman Road, Nottingham
Occupation:  Lace Business
No Nationality given.

Hope this helps.  I will keep looking.

dollylee