JARROLD Johannah (Jonna)

[Miss Pookie]

Thanks Logan,

Just finished laughing about your comment on Jonna being an "interesting lass" !!!

My impression from my family about Jonna is that she was a sweet but tough lady, who was done very wrong by Richard !!  Well.......all this new info puts quite a different light on the whole matter. Me thinks Jonna only told people what she wanted them to know, which may not have neccessarily been the truth !! 

Cheers
Sandra 

[Miss Pookie]

Hope i am not asking too much, especially after all the juicy information you have all uncovered for me but....... would anyone be willing to help me find who Jonna's parents and grandparents were ??

I found something but think it may be wrong.

A William Jarrold (Jarrol) married Jemima Bridge 10th April 1810. Withersdale? Suffolk.
This info was what i found on ancestry.com.

I know Jonna's father was William but not sure if this marriage applies to my side of the family, although i think i remember seeing somewhere that Jonna's mothers name was Gemima (with a 'G' ).
 
I think Jonna had a sister named Jemima but not positive. I have no idea who Jonna's Grandparents are and aren't sure where to look or how to connect it all. It all gets a bit too confusing for me !! 

Hope you can help 
Thanks
Sandra 
 

[LoganH]

Richard STONE to Australia on board the Falmouth packet.

A 'Falmouth packet' is actually a 'type' of ship.  A packet ship was employed to carry Post Office mail to and from British colonies etc, from Falmouth Station  in Cornwall.
However, the last Falmouth packet finished in 30th April 1851. This was then replaced with contract carriers that already ran services to other colonies. These were then termed 'Packet' ships

Richard probably sailed to Australia on a 'Packet' ship.

This will give you more information regarding Falmouth Packet.

http://www.xjt60.dial.pipex.com/

add
Mr STONE, vessel AUSTRALASIAN PACKET, July 1852, age 27, (Immigration to Victoria 1852- 1879; code F, fiche 003, page 001. ) (thank you Cando)
but another fits with his age -
RICHD STONE, vessel THOMAS LOWRY, Sept 1852, age 32, (Immigration to Victoria 1852-1879; code B, fiche 006, page 005.

Logan.

[Valda]

Hi

26th April 1849 St George, Bloomsbury
Henry Riches, Full, Bachelor, Steward, Thrigby Norfolk, John Riches, Farmer
Jemima Jarrold, Full, Spinster, Stowmarket,  William Jarrold, Farmer
Both signed
Witnesses Richard Stone and Caroline Bull

Jemima doesn't appear on censuses post her marriage.


There is a tree on the web which shows a Jemima Jarrold baptised in Halston 27th June 1824 (also on IGI -BTs) the daughter of William and his wife Mary nee Pammenton/Parmenter marriage 8th December 1813 Onehouse Suffolk. Johnannah is not mentioned as a sibling on this tree (which appears to be relying on information from the IGI). This is the family I have already given the census information for. Johannah on the 1851 census stated her age as 31 and her birth as in Halston Suffolk.

Halston as far as I can see is Harleston

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harleston,_Suffolk


The IGI has less good coverage of Suffolk with some of the coverage is Bishops Transcripts (copies of the registers made yearly to the Bishop, not all of which survive or were made in the first place). The BTs for Suffolk on the IGI are often not sourced to a parish.

The IGI has these two baptisms

David Jarrold baptised 18th June 1815 parents William and Jemima
Hannah Jarrold baptised 1st June 1819 parents William and Gemima

There is on the 1851 census a David Jarrold in Risby Suffolk of about the right age born Risby. There are burials in Risby for a William Jarrold in 1848 aged 65 and a Jemima Jarrold in 1846 aged 66. A Hannah Jarrold was buried in Risby aged 13 in 1832.
Other than a burial of a Jemima Jarrold in 1828 aged 79, these are the only two burials of Jemima Jarrolds in Suffolk for this period.

The information confirms most of what seems to have been already asked on the Suffolk Rootschat board

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=210400.msg3170661;topicseen

The Hannah Jarrold who was buried in Risby in 1840 was aged 59. The 1832 is the more likely date.

Johnannah's Australian death certificate may confirm her mother's name or the Harleston parish registers her baptism.



Regards

Valda

[cando]

Johnannah's Australian death certificate may confirm her mother's name or the Harleston parish registers her baptism.

Valda

And therein lies the problem....so far we have not located a death in Victoria for Johannah or her dau Charlotte, who according to family lore, are buried in the same grave at Inglewood Cemetery, Victoria.  Hopefully my phone call tomorrow will help.  Some of the pages of the registers are quite fragile and a death date would save unnecessary searching.

Having a look at another resource for the arrival of Richard STONE -

Richard Stone    b.c1824    
Arrived Dec 1852 Port Phillip Bay, Australia from Plymouth on the GLORIANA   Nationality English

I don't see this arrival on the immigrant arrivals in Victoria database.  I wonder if it is a crew member on a cargo ship.

The Richard STONE who sailed on the AUSTRALASIAN PACKET sailed from Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope.

Cando

[Miss Pookie]

Logan !!!!!!

That's It !!!! The THOMAS LOWRY !! I vaguely remembered something about that so i went back to a letter from a relative. In it it say's that, quote -  "the ship the Thomas Lowry is somehow connected with Jonna or Richard." So hooray !!.... at last something right from family.
 
In the letter it said that Richard was a 'waster' and sent by Falmouth packet to Australia. It then went on to say that he worked for his passage on the ship.

Wonderful stuff you have found, i am absoloutely wrapped with it all !!

Thanks 
Sandra

[Miss Pookie]

Hi Valda'

I went back to some of the things i have collected off the net and i found a copy i had of the marriage between Jemima Jarrold and Henry Riches which is signed by Richard Stone !! The same one you have found, so at least i know i may be on the right path. 

So....Wiilliam and Jemima are Jonna's parents ?? And, David is her brother Who is the Hannah ?? Could she be Jonna's sister, maybe twin ?? I have Jonna as being born 1819. I am frantically looking through all of my stuff because i am sure i have something that says Jonna's birthdate as 1st June 1819, same as Hannah !! We know that Hannah can't be Jonna, because you found a death date for Hannah at age 13, 1832. Interesting.

Sandra 


 

[Valda]

Hi

William and Jemima lived in Rigsby.

William and Mary had children in Harleston including a daughter called Jemima. Johannah stated she was born in Halston not Rigsby.

What is your evidence for Johnanah's mother being called Jemima and not Mary?


Regards

Valda

[judb]

Back to the Australian connection and the descendants of Richard and Jonna

The digitised will of Jane Soulsby, postmistress of Rheola, d 31 Mar 1924 with bequests (land, ninety sheep) to her husband Robert, storekeeper, and money to her children All with surname Soulsby, except for Ma(r?)y Alice Catts - Elsie Jane,  Ruby Catherine, Thomas Stanley, Ernest Roy, George, Robert Magnus, Bertie Clarke, James Francis Bruce.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54

Also Letters of administration granted to Robert SOULSBY for a soldier William Henry SOULSBY, Rheola d 25 April 1917.  The digitised WW1 record for him shows his birthplace as Inglewood. Sadly, Killed in Action in France.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx

There are quite few mentions of SOULSBY in the NLA  digitised newspapers:
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

Judith